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Stirlingshire / Re: John Gardner/ Stirling Lunatic Asylum
« on: Monday 23 February 15 13:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

His wife and children were all present and correct in Slamannan: censuses; marriages; births of children; even burials and monumental inscriptions. Ann Gaff, his wife, was buried with one of the sons and mentioned on the gravestone.

He was a master baker [see initial post] employing three men. Two of his sons continued the business with his wife being a grocer.

The person in the asylum was, as I said, a sawyer.

I will of course try the Poor Law records, but not immediately. It no longer seems quite as high a priority. I am going to have another look at the censuses. As none of the marriage certificates nor Ann's death certificate have him as deceased I may try the statutory deaths again - although there are quite a few John Gardners -- will have to wait to garner a few bawbees before tackling that!

As a previous poster stated 1891 census search draws a blank - so far.

Again this is not my main line. I was hoping [sigh] that someone whose main line it was knew that he had emigrated to Timbuktu !! ;D

Thanks to all

Helenor


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Stirlingshire / Re: John Gardner/ Stirling Lunatic Asylum
« on: Monday 23 February 15 01:06 GMT (UK)  »
I have been having another go at this.

First I asked Scotlands People how to access the censuses for the asylum as I would have liked to have gone through the censuses to see if John Gardner was there. However, the answer I got was to look up the name as per normal. Somehow I had got it in my head that the inmates were listed by initials only.

Secondly I inquired at Stirling University Archives and, got a good reply which I will copy:

I have checked the records of Stirling District Asylym and found an entry in an admission register for the John Gardner who died in the asylum on 30 May 1880. It doesn’t appear that the hospital had much information about the patient, who was transferred from Govan Poorhouse in Glasgow (see the attached transcription of the entry). However both his age and the ‘Parish to which chargeable’ suggest it may be the same John Gardner as you are researching. The parish is recorded as Muiravonside which is close to Slamannan, where he was recorded as residing in the 1861 and 1871 census.
 
Unfortunately there are no case books present for the period when John was a patient (they may have provided further information).


However the attachment would seem to suggest that this is not the John Gardner I am looking for.

I have attached the attachment [I hope] which shows that the inmate John Gardner had been a Sawyer.

The University Archivist also said:

If it is the same John Gardner he may have fallen on hard times and ended up in Govan Poorhouse. I would suggest your next step is to contact Glasgow City Archives who hold the records of Govan Poorhouse as part of their Poor Law Archives:
http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries/the-mitchell-library/archives/collections/poor-law-archives/Pages/default.aspx
 
The John Gardner I am interested in was born in Torphichan. I would imagine that he would have been a charge on that parish if a need had arisen?

I think I will leave it here for the moment - unless, of course, someone has a suggestion.

I perhaps will try the census again,

Helenor

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Scotland / Re: The use of GRO in Edinburgh in doubt.
« on: Monday 16 February 15 16:22 GMT (UK)  »
Looking at the link given by Harry, I followed by reading an article on the "creeping demolition of the East End" which had been published on 2nd February 2015.

One of the comments was:
Unesco are looking to remove Edinburgh as a World Heritage Site and we seem to be doing everything in our power to assist them. All listed buildings should be safe from greedy developers & an apparently uncaring council. Losing Unesco status would be disastrous for Edinburgh, so to all the people involved who can only see £ signs, I would ask you to think very carefully.

An unsympathetic/ modern development of Register House would no doubt influence any such decision. Perhaps a point to be made in any letter to MSP or Government?

Helenor 

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Scotland / Re: The use of GRO in Edinburgh in doubt.
« on: Monday 16 February 15 14:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you - then it makes sense for me to write to the Scottish Government as I now live outside Scotland.
Helenor Jones

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Scotland / Re: The use of GRO in Edinburgh in doubt.
« on: Monday 16 February 15 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the link to the petition Tom. I have signed.
I have also sent it to others who may be interested. :-\

Who is/are the ultimate decision maker? The Scottish Government? Edinburgh Council? Edinburgh Planning Committee? UK Government? Or some other entity?

Thanks

Helenor Jones


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Scotland / Re: The use of GRO in Edinburgh in doubt.
« on: Monday 16 February 15 14:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the link to the petition Tom. I have signed.
I have also sent it to others who may be interested. :-\

Who is/are the ultimate decision maker?

The Scottish Government? Edinburgh Council? Edinburgh Planning Committee? UK Government? Or some other entity?

Thanks

Helenor Jones

ps o/t The spell check really does not like my name! :'(

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Scotland / Re: The use of GRO in Edinburgh in doubt.
« on: Sunday 08 February 15 18:48 GMT (UK)  »
Yes that is what I meant. Even when it was open, there were documents which I had to order in advance. I am sorry to hear that the service has deteriorated.

Just imagine, though, in Wales we have to travel to Aberystwyth. The roads are "difficult" and there is no direct public transport link from South Wales. [We have to travel via Swansea up to Shrewsbury and then across - the routes which existed were of course destroyed by dear Mr Beeching!] When we want to use the archive we "save up" our queries and go for a few days mid week.

Our local archive in Carmarthen has been closed to the public for over a year because of "mold".
Access to documents is crucial if we are not to end up with people regurgitating others' research.

I began working in research in 1966, and, although the internet has opened up some documentation it has also, it seems to me, to have been used as an excuse to limit the opening of archives and the use of archival material.

There, rant over.

Hope all goes well in Edinburgh

Helenor Jones



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Scotland / Re: The use of GRO in Edinburgh in doubt.
« on: Sunday 08 February 15 16:35 GMT (UK)  »
Let us hope sanity prevails. They have already closed one archive.
Is it possible for people to lobby their MSPs?
I no longer live in Scotland, so I'm not sure who is ultimately responsible for any decision.
The fact that it is so near bus and train links makes it much easier to get to then the likes of Kew.
The atmosphere is very good and most mss readily available.
Sometimes I have had to order up documents, but that really was not a problem.
I have found the staff very helpful
What do the staff think of the proposed change?

Helenor Jones

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Stirlingshire / Re: John Gardner/ Stirling Lunatic Asylum
« on: Saturday 07 February 15 22:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Margow,

Thanks I'll give that a go :)

Helenor

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