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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Wednesday 17 January 18 15:26 GMT (UK)  »
Yes thank you I saw it a few days ago when you first mentioned it and do realize the variant in surname.

What do you have for Charles,  Ellen and Thomas in Upwell Norfolk, you mentioned a few posts ago that they were there until 1864

Thanks

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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Wednesday 17 January 18 08:05 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Sharon. I was aware of the Hyam/ Higham variant in the entries.

I would appreciate if you could please share the details that you found for the happy family in Upwell up to 1864, and the 1881 article.

Thanks


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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Tuesday 16 January 18 17:48 GMT (UK)  »
Wait! What? Now you have me a little confused.

What information do you have showing Charles, Ellen and Thomas  in Upwell Norfolk until 1864? Thank you for sharing that but  you have not mentioned this before.

Also you have not said which record or article you found Thomas and Sarah in 1881.

Don’t you think that the Liverpool Sarah is more likely to be the child of Charles Higham and Ellen Taylor?

Also just found today, in 1861 census we have a Charles Higham age 21, a coppersmith, living in Lancs and b: Liverpool. I highly doubt that this is the same Charles found in 1851 as b: Thetford in 1825 and an ag lab, especially now you say they were in Norfolk until 1864

Where did you find information that Ellen found in 1851 was previously known as Barker or
Berkin?

How do you know that our Thomas was born in 1856 in Norwich?

Please put me out of my misery and share the real facts. If they are assumptions then please say so and why you made those assumptions, as I have with Cornelius.

Thank you.







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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Tuesday 16 January 18 00:31 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sharon

I found a marriage of Charles Higham to Margaret Ainsworth:
This was on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk web site
The marriage took place at St John, Preston, Lancashire on 23 August 1856.
Charles was a Painter.
The marriage certificate will show Charles' age and if he was a widower and this may help to determine if it is the same Charles Hyam found with wife Ellen in 1851, although I think it is unlikely the same Charles.

It would appear that Charles and Margaret might have had a son named Thomas baptised 12 April 1857. This was also on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk web site, Source shown as LDS film 93989.  Birth certificate will determine if father changed his occupation to publican.

I found a death for a Margaret Higham in Preston, 1859, age 28.  There were others around this time in Lancs and of various ages but this is the most likely.
This was also on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk web site.
The death certificate would indicate if she was the wife of Charles.

I found a marriage of a Charles Higham to an Ellen Taylor:
Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne, Liverpool, in 1861
This was in an index on www.LancashireBMD.org.uk, no other details
Again, the marriage certificate should indicate age and if he was a widower.
I also don't know if this Charles and Ellen are the parents of Sarah but it is possible since she was baptised in Liverpool in 1865.

You will note that the marriage of Charles and Ellen in Liverpool took place in 1861, so it is likely not the same couple that you found in 1851 census in Hadley Green, although could be the same Charles that was previously married to Margaret.





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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Sunday 14 January 18 11:39 GMT (UK)  »
Sharon, what is the article you found which shows a Thomas and Sarah Hyam in 1881, living at St Pancras.  Cannot find them in the 1881 census.

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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Sunday 14 January 18 02:49 GMT (UK)  »
With all that, there is no proof that Thomas is son of Charles and Ellen that you found, or indeed  Cornelius that I found. 

We know that Cornelius was a publican, had a son that went by the name Thomas that was born around the right time, who went to jail in the 1880's and never reappeared. Perhaps the info on the marriage cert for Thomas to Emma Robinson are only half truths? He would certainly want to hide from Louisa since he was still married to her! Anyway this Thomas is the one that you mentioned, age 5 in 1861 Norfolk census, I already have that.

As for Charles and Ellen, the difficulty I'm having here is we have nothing at all to show that they had a son, let alone one named Thomas. Apart from your grandmother Annie's verbal information, where is this family in any census after 1851? Birth? Baptism?

Have you looked for Charles Higham in the Liverpool pub in 1871 census? That would be a good place to start since he was apparently there in 1870.  May not be the same Charles but possible.

If you have connections to the family then why not contact them?  They may be able to help.

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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Saturday 13 January 18 20:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Sharon.  Happy New Year.
Thank you for the latest information.  I wonder how are we tying this family to Thomas?  Did you find a birth registration for Thomas?  Did you find anything to indicate that Charles was ever a publican? Any census info? Or anything else you might have to solve the mystery? Thanks

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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Friday 23 June 17 02:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sharon

I mentioned that Cornelius Thomas Craddock Hyam's birth was registered in Thetford RD, nothing about Charles being from there.  I have not found anything at all for any Charles that fits in with the little information that was on the marriage certificate of our Thomas in 1890.

Now you did follow up with .......

I have just found records for Thomas Hyam born in Thetford, Norfolk in 1859 to a Charles Hyam, and also records of his father Charles Hyam born 1825 in Norfolk and his family.

They have no connection to the Cornelius Craddock family from Brandon, as all these records are from Thetford.


I would think that there certainly could be a connection between Hyam families of Thetford and of Brandon.  Although in Suffolk, Brandon was part of Thetford Registration District and the 2 places are only 7 miles apart.

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Kent / Re: HYAM / HYAMS - Plumstead, Kent 1890 onwards
« on: Thursday 22 June 17 23:42 BST (UK)  »
Oh I see....I would prefer not to post my email address on an open board but we could communicate through RootsChat's private messaging if you prefer.

l think that, depending upon other information that you have, proof of Thomas's birth and  parentage could be a tough search, as I previously mentioned I and friends have spent a lot of time searching for him.......although you did mention that he was born in Thetford, so perhaps you already have birth info....from a parish register?



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