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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Monday 08 July 19 23:48 BST (UK)  »
Joseph Sproule (Approx 1826- 23/04/1905) & Isabella Brown (Aprox 1926-30/05/1915)
Married on 4th November 1846 at Ardstraw, County Tyrone, Ireland. They were married at the First Castlederg Presbyterian Church in Garvetagh. They had 14 kids. My great grandmother Sarah was number 2 born on 24th August 1848. First Castlederg Presbyterian Church has kept good records on the Sproules. Here is a video of my 2018 trip to Castlederg in County Tyrone in Northern Ireland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUyZ3CaZuDQ&t=11s

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Monday 08 July 19 23:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi guys. It's been a while. I have found so much. I travelled to Tyrone in Northern Ireland in October 2018. If you have any questions contact me on (*)
Regarding the chapels I had spoke about where James Kerr & Sarah Sproule married...There is an out of print book 'A History of The Parish Of Ardstraw West And Castlederg' by the late Rev. Philip Donnelly which contains information about the Parish. This is what I can ascertain. The Catholic parish of Ardstraw West and Castlederg was created from parts of the ancient parishes of Urney and Melmount. There were three chapels: St. Patrick's in Castlederg (replaced in 1978 with St. Eugene's but St. Eugene remained in use as a church until it too became in need of serious repairs, and so it was decided to refurbish the old Saint Patrick’s Church again & on 11th May 1997, it was rededicated), St. Mary's in Carncorn (Carncorran is a variant spelling), and St. Mary's in Envagh. St. Mary's in Carncorn was replaced by St Francis of Assisi in Drumnabey and was dedicated on 19th December 1982 by the Bishop of Derry, Most Rev Edward Daly DD. It was built to replace the old church of St Mary’s, Carncorn, which had passed beyond reasonable repair. The church can hold 430 persons and is the only church in the diocese to be dedicated to Saint Francis, in memory of the old monastery of Franciscans at Scarvaghern, which was dispersed in 1603. A contact I had on a Castlederg Facebook site said she no idea why both St. Mary's in Carncorn & St. Mary's in Envagh were named St.Mary's...”We always referred to them as Carncorn Chapel and Dregish Chapel” she said.

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Tuesday 30 December 14 12:18 GMT (UK)  »
I am a direct lineage connection link to James Kerr.

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Monday 02 August 10 13:34 BST (UK)  »
Fiona

This is the info I have:
1846 On Wednesday, November 4 Isabella Brown married Joseph Sproule at the Castlederg first Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish, Castlederg.
1868 On Friday, November 27, Sarah Sproule married James Kerr at the Castlederg Roman Catholic Church in the Parish of Urney, County Tyrone according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church. The marriage was registered No.46.
Sarah was a Spinster, gave her age as a minor. Her occupation was recorded as a Servant, usual residence Meaghy near Ardstraw. Her father is recorded as Joseph Sproule, Farmer. Her mother is not recorded.

Maybe George & Joseph were related. We should stay in touch though. You can contact me on (*)

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Wednesday 29 October 08 09:01 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry I wa quoting the relative in Scotland. I got carried away. He was making an assumption. I guess it is all starting to drop. The info is out there I just need to put it all together.

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Wednesday 29 October 08 06:04 GMT (UK)  »
More food for thought. The relative in Scotland also provided this info:

He found

*1933 644/5 (Garngadhill) No.359*

Sarah Kerr (Widow of James Kerr, Farm Labourer)
1933 July 4th 2h40m p.m. [died] at St Joseph's House, Garngadhill,
Glasgow (Usual residence 1002 Shettleston Road, Glasgow) aged 84 years.
[Parents] Joseph Sproule, Farmer (deceased) & Isabella Sproule m.s.
Brown (deceased)
[Cause] Cerebral Haemorrhage as certified by W.J.Davil, L.R.C.P.,
L.R.C.S,
[Registered by] S.Connor, Daughter, 82 Springfield Road, Glasgow.
[on] 1933 July 5th at Glasgow, John Reilly, Registrar.

So, who is S.Connor?

*1915 644/19 (Shettleston) No.20*

1915 15 February at St Mark's Chapel, Shettleston, Glasgow After
Publication according to the Forms of the Roman Catholic Church.
William Connor, Labourer - Cleansing Department, Bachelor, age 23, 50
Wellshot Road, Shettleston, Glasgow.
[Parents] Daniel Connor, Shepherd & Kate Connor m.s. Halpin
Sarah Kerr or Farrell, Widow, age 26, 50 Wellshot Road, Shettleston,
Glasgow.
[Parents] James Kerr, Labourer (deceased) & Sarah Kerr m.s. Sproule
[Celebrant] Andrew Joseph O'Brien
[Witnesses] Owen Fegan & Sarah Campbell
(Registered on] 1915 February 17th at Glasgow, Wm.L.Campbell,
Registrar.

There are quite a few possible James Kerr deaths between 1906 and 1915,
none in Shettleston.

But I got another one, it pays to make no assumptions. <g>

*1906 622/2 (Shettleston) No.6*

1906 22 June at The Manse, Shettleston After Banns according to the
Forms of the Church of Scotland.
Alexander Campbell, Coal Miner, Bachelor, age 23, 2 Park Lane,
Tillicoultry [Clackmannamshire]
[Parents] Thomas Campbell, Coal Miner (deceased) & Christina Pow
Campbell m.s. Kerr
Mary Kerr, Domestic Servant, Spinster, age 25, 8 Cathkin Place,
Shettleston.
[Parents] James Kerr, Labourer & Sarah Kerr m.s. Sproul
[Celebrant] Hector MacKinnon
[Witnesses] Sarah Kerr & Hugh Campbell
[Registered on] 1906 June 23rd at Shettleston, M.D.Toner

You could spend some time wondering whether Mary worked in Tillicoultry
or Alexander worked in Shettleston.


A lot of info can be found but very hard downunder. The marriage certificate which costs 12 pounds cost me $33 Aussie dollars. That is quite dear. I will now get Joseph Sproule & Isabella Sproule m.s. Brown's marriage certificate. If anyone wans James Kerr & Sarah Sproules certificate just let me know. I have it scanned.

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Wednesday 29 October 08 05:44 GMT (UK)  »
You guys are pretty amazing. I need to know how it can be done from here in Australia. I'm impressed many thanks.
This is the info I had. It came from George who died in 1949 without a will. In NSW the trustee administrated his affairs. I got the probate 5 years ago & it showed his estate was divided 9 ways amongst his brothers & sisters. As James was listed as dying in 1946 it went to his sons William & Thomas Kerr while John who was listed as dying in 1905 the 1/9 went to his daughter Ruby who I believed lives/lived in the United States.  Maybe there were 2 Patricks with one dying young???
 

Sibling   Born   Died
John   1873   1905      
James   1875   1946      
William   1877         
Mary   1881   
Patrick   1881   1960
Joseph   1883         
George     1885   1949      
Sarah   1889   
Thomas   1891      
Bridget/Bella 1893         

I have a distant relative in Scotland gave me this info recently. He got it from the Strathclyde Genealogy Centre :

1933 644/5 (Garngadhill) No.359
1933   Sarah Kerr, widow of James Kerr, Farm Labourer, died at 2h40m p.m. on Tuesday, July 4, aged 84 years at St Joseph’s House, Gardgadhill, Glasgow .Shettleston (Usual residence 1002 Shettleston Road, Glasgow), of Cerebral Haemorrhage as certified by W.J.Davil, L.R.C.P., L.R.C.S.. Joseph Sproule, Farmer (deceased) & Isabella Sproule m.s. Brown (deceased). Her death was registered 1933 644/5 (Garngadhill) No.359 by S Connor, Daughter, 82 Springfield Road, Glasgow. [on] 1933 July 5th at Glasgow, John Reilly, Registrar

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Tuesday 28 October 08 06:57 GMT (UK)  »
I received the marriage certificate. The certificate lists Sarah Sproule as a minor (no age) & a servant. James Kerr is shown as??
James Kerr's father is shown as James Kerr while Sarah Sproule's father is shown as Joseph Sproule. No mention of mothers
The residence at the time of marriage is Meahy. They were married by Thomas Boyle.

Can someone assist me.

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Tyrone / Re: James Kerr And Sarah Sproule From Meaby, NewtownStewart
« on: Saturday 18 October 08 15:53 BST (UK)  »
Great info Tony

You mention James Kerr & Sarah Sproule were married 27 November 1868 at Castlederg Roman Catholic Church in the parish of Urney in County Tyrone, Ireland. There appears to be 3 Catholic Churches.
St. Francis of Assisi,
St. Eugene's
St.Mary's
Were they around in 1868. Would you be able to assist me in finding more info.

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