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England / Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« on: Monday 02 June 08 21:38 BST (UK)  »
I agree the 1841 census sighting of the family is all important.

But where was William Pollock Beaton in 1841?  I have tried to find him without success.

As John Beaton named his first daughter after her maternal grandmother, Jean Paterson, it is very likely that he WAS an old-fashioned Scottish-naming-pattern sort of chap and that his son William was named after his father.  We should therefore be looking for a William Beaton born probably not much later than 1780.

It is also important to get a COMPLETE list of John's children by Janet Paton, since the name of Janet's father ought to come fairly close to the top, and it would be helpful to have a list of John's brothers too so as to sort Beaton names from Paton ones.

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England / Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« on: Monday 02 June 08 19:13 BST (UK)  »
My brain is hurting. 

From where did the information come that Janet Paton's husband John Beaton had an earlier marriage to Flora Paton and a son called William Pollock?  It is really actually remarkable to find that if John Beaton's father WAS Alexander he did not call his eldest son or ANY of his several sons Alexander.  Assuming it is a fact that Janet Paton did have a stepson called William Pollock Beaton, is it possible - in fact I can answer that straightaway and say yes it is - that the person submitting information about William Pollock Beaton to Ancestry has simply got it wrong, and given the wrong John Beaton as Dad to William Pollock.

The Ancestry trees are always interesting, as long as one remembers that they sometimes do get it terribly wrong.

In any case William Pollock's dad is likely to have been born BEFORE 1813 to tie in with Flora's age and the fact that he died 10 years before Janet Paton.  It doesn't follow for sure - of course not - but it is quite likely.

I will look into possible family connections between Flora's father, James Paton, and Janet's father, John Paton, remembering all the while that there is now a possibility Janet's father was called George!.


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England / Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« on: Monday 02 June 08 12:24 BST (UK)  »
That's great - pure testimony to "Scottish Naming Pattern". (I am not sure I am a gambler but I am a tremendous flyer of kites!)

And interesting that Mary Cunningham may well have been the name of Margaret Dickie's mother too.  When I mentioned Margaret Cunningham in the previous posting I did of course mean MARY Cunningham, as the mystery second wife of John Paton (but, I believe, the John Paton born 1701).  The two Mary Cunninghams may well have caused confusion at some stage somewhere in somebody's thinking.

What about the names of John Beaton and Janet Paton's children.  Any Adams or Hughs??

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England / Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« on: Monday 02 June 08 10:46 BST (UK)  »
Hallo, I placed the Curiousfox ad and have been corresponding with Dollylee.  Finally, I have retrieved my username to join in the Paton chat!

Margaret Cunningham was the second wife of a John Paton born in 1701, the grandson of the famous Captain John Paton 1614-1681.  I am fairly sure the Captain is an ancestor of grieving heiress (or not as the case may be) Janet Paton.

I think that whoever, on Ancestry.com, has given Janet Paton's father a second wife simply got their John Patons muddled and that Janet Paton's mother Margaret Dickie was still alive in 1841 living in Gauze Street, Paisley with the Beatons.

Worth looking at   http://hometown.aol.com/rosecote/myhomepage/heritage.html   showing that the Ayrshire Patons were a breed unto themselves and separate from the Paisley Patons (mine) even though some may later have moved up to live in Paisley alongside the indigenous Paisley Patons, who were, by the way, all drapers to a man.  And the Alloa Patons were another entirely separate branch again.

Gauze Street, Paisley was not a great address.  I don't know why any Paton from Alloa with a connection to factory wealth would choose to live in Gauze Street, Paisley.

Has anybody set out in a list the Christian names of Janet Paton and John Beaton's children.  These can be a great pointer in the right direction.

By the way, I have identified John Beaton's first wife as Florie Paton, daughter of James Paton b 1772 and Jean Paterson, who married 29 November 1806 and had Florie 24 October 1807.  The name of Florie and John Paton's daughter Jean Paterson Beaton clinches it

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Surrey Completed Look up Requests / Re: 1841 Census lookup, please
« on: Monday 21 May 07 18:18 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that.  I have come across that tree before.  I think they are the only well-documented South London Woodbines around.  I have always thought it curious that John and Ann Woodbine, who married in 1797, did not have their first child until 1808.  Some of the trouble may be that 'Woodbine' appears to be a difficult name to transcribe correctly.  For example, John Ebenezer and his family definitely appear in the 1841 census, but I have yet to find a website - certainly, not Ancestry.co - that lists them.

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Hi Tony,

I have followed up Joseph Tucker's daughter Elizabeth by his first wife, and find her full name was Elizabeth Mary French Tucker.  This has been very helpful since it indicates that in fact Joseph came from St Mabyn in Cornwall (not St Stephen in Brannel) and is the Joseph whose parents were John Tucker and Mary French.

I would be really grateful for all the info you have on Joseph Tucker's pre-census years

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Hallo Tony,

I have come to this rather late.  Joseph Tucker is my direct ancestor.  His second wife was Mrs Mary Ann Cummons (nee Wright) who had 3 sons (and a daughter, Mary Ann?) by her first husband, John, who were called William, John and Richard.  In one census, the 3 boys call themselves Tucker, but in fact they were Cummons, or Cummins.

Joseph had a son from his first marriage, also Joseph, born 1828 in Bristol, but I don't know what his first wife was called.

By his second wife Mary Ann Cummons, Joseph had Benjamin, born 1840 (my ancestor) and Jane Elizabeth born 1846, who was living with her half brother John Cummins in 1861.

Mary Ann died on 22 January 1857, aged 56, at 13 Thornton Street, Walworth

I have Joseph Tucker as born in 1789 in St Stephen-in-Brannel, Cornwall, and dying in St Saviour's Union Workhouse in Southwark in 1871, but I would dearly love to have some corroboration of this.

Joseph was a carpenter journeyman, like his son Benjamin, who died on 29 November 1925, at 46 Ouseley Road, Balham

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Surrey Completed Look up Requests / Re: 1841 Census lookup, please
« on: Sunday 20 May 07 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Hallo Wulliam (or William??),

Did your Maria Hallam nee Woodbine have a brother called John Ebenezer Woodbine, born circa 1811?     He lived in the St George's/Bermondsey area and worked as a painter and/or trowler (??).  He died in the cholera epidemic that swept through Bermondsey in 1849

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Somerset Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1861 census lookup Hosegood
« on: Friday 02 February 07 13:14 GMT (UK)  »
The Obediah Hosegood who died in Ilminster in 1922, was born in 1854 in Westbury on Trym, Bristol.  His parents were Obediah Hosegood (1827-1902) and Mary Ann Corner (1821-1877).  Both died in Bristol.  Obediah senior was born St Decumus (sp??) near Williton (I think), Somerset. Mary Ann was born Stockbrooke (sp??), Devon.  They married at Williton in 1849.  Obediah senior was a Corn Merchant and farmer. He had two sons and five daughters.  He appears to  have lived both at Woodland House, Westbury-on-Trym, Bristol, and at Dillington Farm, Ilminster.

Hope this helps

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