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Hi Fiona,

Great to hear from you! Have sent my email to your messages in your account.

Cheers
Kim

Hi Bryant,

you are very kind!

John HONEY snr is listed at the Waterman's Arms, Bell Watergate/ High St., Woolwich several times in the Greenwich archives. In various directories but definitely in Pigots 1832-34 - I think later but disappears abt 1839. They both died in Jan 1837 -

The building is definitely not standing at Bell Watergate although on the corner there is a pub. The Leisure centre and car park are there.

John HONEY snr is invariably listed as living at High St., Woolwich. Son Richard died at Bell Watergate, so I thought it might be possible that the two buildings connected.... Just looked at an old map I have a photo of and although it's later the pub on the corner is the Crown & Cushion and there is The Bell PH at the other end of the street very close to the water .... I will need to see if I can find another map which is earlier ....

I had found that Waterman's Arm's North Woolwich / Isle of Dogs but not sure .... However John HONEY jnr had a pub wherever he went. In Adelaide, Daylesford Victoria, and then in New Zealand where they eventually lived....

i think I saw a pic of the Waterman's Arms Isle of Dogs - it looked v charming and I don't think it's the one- darn!

It is one of my last branches and one of my most interesting - after some 30 years of genie research - he is still keeping me on my toes...   

i have seen the surname listing - thanks - will get on to it ....

Keep in mind that not everyone was tried at the Old Bailey - although it's a fabulous site. I'd be more worried abt ancestors who arrived in NSW or TAS.... then I'd start looking  for sth interesting.... Found a ?X great grandmother who was Welsh being tried in ? I think it was Lincolnshire for attacking a man ?? He was 6'2 and she was 4'10  - Family history says she was a nice and gentle granny; a god fearing old lady - great shock to many 

cheers
Kim

Kim

I'm curious.....the Watermans Arms, where did you get the info that it was in Woolwich? as seeing that John is in Stratford and just down the Road is the Isle of Dogs with a Watermans Arms which is still there today and Grade two listed (how old is it?) and I don't see the Watermans Arms in Woolwich in 1841.......I just wondered if possibly 

Bryant

Dear Bryant,

Thanks for the links. Very clever of you to find that. I think the first one seems most certainly to be him. Not sure abt second one, it's earlier and I have no indication or evidence that he worked for a Chas Wormley - but maybe sth will turn up.

Thanks for your support.

Kim

Kim

Did he travel voluntarily.......

Here is John nabbing a dastardly thief 

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18390408-name-1487&div=t18390408-1424#highlight

and is this the same John?

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18370612-name-1180&div=t18370612-1591#highlight

Woolwich & Charlton adjoin one another and Stratford (as the crow flies) is probably less than 5 miles away although you would have to be a very good swimmer to get there.............although most people would have probably used or went by a small boat  in the 1830's

Bryant

Hi Bryant,

thanks for taking pity on me! 

1841 they were in South Australia - not going to make this easy for you....

By a stroke of luck I have found them Stratford in 1839 through the death of a daughter. They lived in Woolwich and married in Charlton which is not far away.

Cheers
Kim

Kirsty,

I'd be really interested in why you think Thos Auchterlonie was from Bandirran?

Look forward to hearing from you

Kim

Hello Fishman,
My Gr-Gr-Gr-Grandmother was Janet Auchterlonie she married James Fairfull 1813 in Cameron/Largo. I have her parents as Thomas Auchterlonie 1769 Bandirran& Janet Low1769 Kilconquhar.
I also have a Descendants list of George Auchterlonie 1634 Ceres . Most of the names you gave are on it.
Christine.