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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Saturday 28 February 26 16:05 GMT (UK)  »
The 1851 Census search for Bell families produced more results:

106 Double Row, Seaton Delaval
Robert Bell head 70 horse keeper b Hexham
Ann Bell wife 60 b Hexham
Robert Bell son 38 coal miner b Hexham
Sarah Bell sons wife 36 b Earsdon
George Bell grandson 7 b Earsdon
Robert Bell grandson 4 b Earsdon
Thomas Lamb visitoir 28
Ann Robson serv 26 horse serv

21 Brick Row, Seaton, Delaval
Jacob Bell 63 head Engineman
Isabella Bell 61 wife
Jane Hindmar 20 daughter (sounds Dutch)
Isabella Bell 10 granddaughter

142 Double Row, Seaton Delaval
Martin Bell 27 head b Tynemouth
Mary Bell 25 wife b Earsdon
Elizabeth Bell 4m daughter b Earsdon

152 Double Row, Seaton Delaval
Living with Family Richardson
John Bell 25
Jane Bell 20

71 Garden House, Seaton Delaval
John Bell 41 head Gardener b Earsdon
Margret Bell 40 wife b Woodhorn?
Mary Ann 15 b Earsdon
John 11 b Earsdon
George 5 b Earsdon
Robert 2 b Earsdon
John Dodds 50 widow servent

Not so sure if I can use this information to help in anyway, maybe I am just scratching in the dirt hoping to see the light. But, I will do the best I can to find any links to these families and report back. I am sure that Roberts parents are amongst these Bell families in the general area. Any hints and clues are very welcome  ::)

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Saturday 28 February 26 15:47 GMT (UK)  »
On searching the 1841 census, the following Bell's where discovered:

Stable Row, Seaton Delaval (2 pages back)
Robert Bell 50
Robert Bell 20
Joseph Bell 30
Robert Bell 6
Ann Bell 2
Ann Bell 50
Mary Bell 8
Jane Bell 31
This is a strange compilation of Bell's of various ages all living together

Blacksmith Row, Seaton Delaval
Jacob Bell 50
Isabella Bell 50
Mary Bell 20
Jane Bell 11
Isabella Bell 6m
this family is a regular parents and offspring family group.

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Saturday 28 February 26 15:39 GMT (UK)  »
I have tried to search for the birth/baptism of Thomas Bell c1796. The 1841 census gives Thomas aged 45 so born c1796. I know that in 1841 the year of birth was rounded off to the nearest 0 or 5. On inspecting the census page it is clear to see that firstly 48 was written down and the a 5 was written over the 8. This would give an adjusted year of birth as 1793  ;D The only other information given is that he was 'born in County',,,, yeah thanks for that  ::)
On searching for Robert Bell's born with these details it quickly became clear that there are a lot of Robert Bell's born at this time !!!

So, I thought, searching for Roberts death/burial may reveal an age at death to help. Robert must have died some time after the 1841 census and the 1851 census where wife Ann is a widow. Again many Robert Bell's meeting their demise. So I thought I would cheat and look to see if any exhisting Bell trees may offer any clues. It turns out that this particular Bell line is not being researched excepting for a few scraggly trees bearing little fruit. A couple do insist that he dies in sept 1841at Seaton Delaval. FreeBMD gives only one result for this: deaths sept 1841, Tynemouth, vol 25, page 257. I guess the only way to prove this is by ordering the certificate, which I shall do and share the results when this little gem arrives in my letter box  ;D



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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Thursday 26 February 26 11:37 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: jonwarrn on Tuesday 24 February 26 21:25 GMT (UK)
Looking for Margaret Bell in 1851
She seems to be with her married sister Mary Ann (Potts) in Tynemouth
Age 18, born Percy Main
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6Q-9FX

Marriage, 28 July 1845, Tynemouth
Joseph Potts
+
Mary Ann Bell, father Thomas Bell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGTH-76NM

I seem to have missed a sister? Mary Ann Bell who marries a Joseph Potts in 1845 but does not appear in the 1841 census with parents Thomas and Ann. Wonder if there are any more  :o

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Thursday 26 February 26 10:48 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: jonwarrn on Tuesday 24 February 26 22:03 GMT (UK)
I do think (certainly hope!) that the more straightforward option is the more likely (Robert is son of Thomas and Ann, but for some reason not baptised at the Tynemouth Wesleyan Methodist church)

What about Pete? Do you think this might be your Robert?

hi jonwarn and RTL, sorry I have been AWOL during this post, work has been pretty intense, but wow!, you are both amazing! ,,, A complete generation reborn and brought back to virtual life, many thanks for your efforts. I am in catch up mode (as usual) information and facts being osmotically absorbed as I type  ::) "
Jonwarn, In answer to your question, I do believe that this is the correct Robert and family. The reason being that siblings Elanor 1820, Thomas 1826 and Elizabeth 1829 are all born at Flatworth (Colliery) and then sister Margret 1831 is born at Percy Main (Colliery) where as we know, Robert invariably gives as place of birth in subsequent census's.

I haven't yet seen a scan of the original 1841 census but cannot offer an explanation for the ' Bellus' mystery, and who is the older Elizabeth (Bellus) born 1821? (not in the 1851 census) she cannot be a daughter of Thomas and Ann as they have daughter Elizabeth born 1830. Maybe a sister of Thomas?
As I read your replies you seem to have considered most possibilities. There may be some clues to be found in reconstructing the lives of Roberts siblings? who marries who and lodges with whom and who lives down the road or around the corner. Maybe aunts and uncles appear, aged parents, who knows. Sometimes witnesses on marriage entries yield surprise names,,,, I shall give this a go and see that you have already found some of Roberts, siblings marriages, again, thanks for that too.

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Sunday 22 February 26 13:41 GMT (UK)  »
I tried a new strategy and have searched the 1851 Census records for Robert Bell, aged 15, born Northumberland with father(head) as Thomas Bell, also the 1841 census with Robert aged 5 also father Thomas Bell,,,, unfortunately, I didn't find anything of interest  ??? I really thought that this would produce a good result, most disappointed  :-\

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Tuesday 17 February 26 10:19 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: River Tyne Lass on Tuesday 27 January 26 10:43 GMT (UK)
Marriage of Parents:
St Alban, Earsdon
Entry 243
Robert Bell & Isabella Smith
Both age 22
Bachelor & Spinster
Miner
Fathers:
Thomas Bell – Miner
Robert Smith – Miner
Witnesses:
Ann Smith – signed with her mark
William Blackett (who seems to have been a regular signer on marriage entries)
Robert signed and Isabella signed with her mark.
By Banns

Searching for Roberts parents I am using the above information that Roberts father is Thomas Bell and that Robert is born around 1836. Marriage age of 22 in 1858 = 1836 and census giving a birth range of c1835-37. The fact that Robert constantly gives his place of birth as 'Percy Main' stands out
to me. So he must have been living very close to this place. It seems that it was a developing area named after the station and not of an existing village, so maybe the lay of the land in the 1830's is an important clue? possibly being born close by and moving to the area as a young child and being the first place he remembers?

The candidates are few, but the Wallsend option are ship wrights, the Hartburn option I have since discovered from census details are farmers so I am not sure if this Robert would have made the transition from farmer to coalminer? The new candidate suggested by AlanBoyd gives fathers name as James and not Thomas. I have however found another possible candidate but was born in 1829 at Chirton, which seems to be a stones throw away from Percy Main, with parents Tomas and Elizabeth. On family search the parents seem to come from Yorkshire?
Oh well, back to the drawing board  ???

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Saturday 14 February 26 17:53 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: petey22 on Saturday 14 February 26 17:53 GMT (UK)
Quote from: River Tyne Lass on Tuesday 27 January 26 10:43 GMT (UK)
Marriage of Parents:
St Alban, Earsdon
Entry 243
Robert Bell & Isabella Smith
Both age 22
Bachelor & Spinster
Miner
Fathers:
Thomas Bell – Miner
Robert Smith – Miner
Witnesses:
Ann Smith – signed with her mark
William Blackett (who seems to have been a regular signer on marriage entries)
Robert signed and Isabella signed with her mark.
By Banns

On setting a search for all Robert Bell's born c1835 born Northumberland (In the census he claims consistently to have been born Percy Main) with father: Thomas Bell. I have 3 results:

i. Robert Alexander Bell, chr. 09-06-1835, Monkswearmouth, Durham.
parents: Thomas and Margaret Bell.
ii. Robert Bell, chr. 24-05-1835, St. Peters, Wallsend, Northumberland.
parents: Thomas and Margaret Bell.
iii. Robert Bell, chr. 28-01-1835, Hartburn, Northumberland.
parents: Thomas and Isabella.

I think that I can disregard the first option as the second name Alexander does not appear anywhere, thus, leaving 2 choices, Thomas and Margaret or Thomas and Isabella. The clue may be in the location of birth as our Robert consistently claims to have been born at 'Percy Main' (1861,71 and 81).
All my life I have never been north of Norwich and now live in the lovely town of Zwolle in the Netherlands and my geographical knowledge of Durham/ Northumberland is very limited. I need the advice of local experts to hopefully point me in the right direction.
The whiskey is kicking in now, so I will look at the census for these remaining two options tomorrow.
kind regards
Petey

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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Bell family County Durham
« on: Saturday 14 February 26 17:53 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: River Tyne Lass on Tuesday 27 January 26 10:43 GMT (UK)
Marriage of Parents:
St Alban, Earsdon
Entry 243
Robert Bell & Isabella Smith
Both age 22
Bachelor & Spinster
Miner
Fathers:
Thomas Bell – Miner
Robert Smith – Miner
Witnesses:
Ann Smith – signed with her mark
William Blackett (who seems to have been a regular signer on marriage entries)
Robert signed and Isabella signed with her mark.
By Banns

On setting a search for Robert Bell's born c1835 born Northumberland (In the census he claims consistently to have been born Percy Main) with father: Thomas Bell. I have 3 results:

i. Robert Alexander Bell, chr. 09-06-1835, Monkswearmouth, Durham.
parents: Thomas and Margaret Bell.
ii. Robert Bell, chr. 24-05-1835, St. Peters, Wallsend, Northumberland.
parents: Thomas and Margaret Bell.
iii. Robert Bell, chr. 28-01-1835, Hartburn, Northumberland.
parents: Thomas and Isabella.

I think that I can disregard the first option as the second name Alexander does not appear anywhere, thus, leaving 2 choices, Thomas and Margaret or Thomas and Isabella. The clue may be in the location of birth as our Robert consistently claims to have been born at 'Percy Main' (1861,71 and 81).
All my life I have never been north of Norwich and now live in the lovely town of Zwolle in the Netherlands and my geographical knowledge of Durham/ Northumberland is very limited. I need the advice of local experts to hopefully point me in the right direction.
The whiskey is kicking in now, so I will look at the census for these remaining two options tomorrow.
kind regards
Petey

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