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Laois (Queens) / Re: GORRY/GURRY/GOREY from North Laois area for Y-DNA Research
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 21:47 BST (UK) »
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Laois (Queens) / GORRY/GURRY/GOREY from North Laois area for Y-DNA Research
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 20:25 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon, everyone.
Good afternoon, everyone.
My name is Chris McLain Beal and I've been researching my ancestors in Offaly/Kildare for 20 years and have been the administrator of the "Cenel Brenainn" DNA group since 2017.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/about
I recently made a post on the Offaly board looking for O'Guaire from the Geashill-Cloneygowan area. However, I decided to expand this search to all the areas that made up the old kingdom of Ui Failghe. In terms of Laois that is the baronies of Tennehinch (O'Dunne's Country) and Portnehinch (Clanmalier, or O'Dempsey's Country)
This would further our group's research and answer many questions about the where/when of our larger family, I would gladly purchase the kit and send it to the volunteer free of charge as a gracious thank you for participating. This is a "BigY700" test from FamilyTreeDNA, so it would have to be a male on the O'Guaire line who has the ancestry back to this particular area.
I'm going to link the thread in the Offaly board if you are interested in the research of this family thus far and why I'm looking for individuals from specific locations.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=891693.0
If you are interested in taking part of this research, you can email me or DM me here/reply to this thread and I will be in touch.
Cheers,
Chris
Good afternoon, everyone.
My name is Chris McLain Beal and I've been researching my ancestors in Offaly/Kildare for 20 years and have been the administrator of the "Cenel Brenainn" DNA group since 2017.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/about
I recently made a post on the Offaly board looking for O'Guaire from the Geashill-Cloneygowan area. However, I decided to expand this search to all the areas that made up the old kingdom of Ui Failghe. In terms of Laois that is the baronies of Tennehinch (O'Dunne's Country) and Portnehinch (Clanmalier, or O'Dempsey's Country)
This would further our group's research and answer many questions about the where/when of our larger family, I would gladly purchase the kit and send it to the volunteer free of charge as a gracious thank you for participating. This is a "BigY700" test from FamilyTreeDNA, so it would have to be a male on the O'Guaire line who has the ancestry back to this particular area.
I'm going to link the thread in the Offaly board if you are interested in the research of this family thus far and why I'm looking for individuals from specific locations.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=891693.0
If you are interested in taking part of this research, you can email me or DM me here/reply to this thread and I will be in touch.
Cheers,
Chris
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Offaly (Kings) / Re: GORRY/GURRY/GOREY from EAST OFFALY for Y-DNA Research
« on: Thursday 12 June 25 23:57 BST (UK) »
Edit: I've decided to go ahead and expand this request to all of E. Offaly, and W. Kildare since it would still help quite a lot, i.e. the areas which constituted O'Connor and O'Dempsey territories. Anyone with a papertrail to the baronies of:
Coolestown
Warrenstown
Philipstown Upper
Philipstown Lower
Geashill
is welcome to participate. Thank you!
Coolestown
Warrenstown
Philipstown Upper
Philipstown Lower
Geashill
is welcome to participate. Thank you!
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Kildare / GORRY/GURRY/GOREY from NW Kildare area for Y-DNA Research
« on: Thursday 12 June 25 18:40 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon, everyone.
My name is Chris McLain Beal and I've been researching my ancestors in Offaly/Kildare for 20 years and have been the administrator of the "Cenel Brenainn" DNA group since 2017.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/about
I recently made a post on the Offaly board looking for O'Guaire from the Geashill-Cloneygowan area. However, I am also looking for any O'Guaire with a papertrail to the area once known as "The Marches" in Co. Kildare back to the 19th century to volunteer for Y-DNA research. This is anywhere west of the old Pale, i.e. the baronies of:
Carbury
Clane
Connell
E. Offaly
W. Offaly
Kilcullen
Narragh & Reban
This would further our group's research and answer many questions about the where/when of our larger family, I would gladly purchase the kit and send it to the volunteer free of charge as a gracious thank you for participating. This is a "BigY700" test from FamilyTreeDNA, so it would have to be a male on the O'Guaire line who has the ancestry back to this particular area.
I'm going to link the thread in the Offaly board if you are interested in the research of this family thus far and why I'm looking for individuals from specific locations.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=891693.0
If you are interested in taking part of this research, you can email me or DM me here/reply to this thread and I will be in touch.
Cheers,
Chris
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My name is Chris McLain Beal and I've been researching my ancestors in Offaly/Kildare for 20 years and have been the administrator of the "Cenel Brenainn" DNA group since 2017.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/about
I recently made a post on the Offaly board looking for O'Guaire from the Geashill-Cloneygowan area. However, I am also looking for any O'Guaire with a papertrail to the area once known as "The Marches" in Co. Kildare back to the 19th century to volunteer for Y-DNA research. This is anywhere west of the old Pale, i.e. the baronies of:
Carbury
Clane
Connell
E. Offaly
W. Offaly
Kilcullen
Narragh & Reban
This would further our group's research and answer many questions about the where/when of our larger family, I would gladly purchase the kit and send it to the volunteer free of charge as a gracious thank you for participating. This is a "BigY700" test from FamilyTreeDNA, so it would have to be a male on the O'Guaire line who has the ancestry back to this particular area.
I'm going to link the thread in the Offaly board if you are interested in the research of this family thus far and why I'm looking for individuals from specific locations.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=891693.0
If you are interested in taking part of this research, you can email me or DM me here/reply to this thread and I will be in touch.
Cheers,
Chris
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Offaly (Kings) / Re: GORRY & GOODE/GOUDE from Geashill-Ballykean for Y-DNA Research
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 15:25 BST (UK) »
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If I plot out everything geographically, there's a geographic area that has both relevant placenames (Ui Guaire and maybe Ui Cuilinn), population, pardons, and a possible Annals entry. And that is "Clanmaliere", i.e. Clann Mhaoilughra, or "O'Dempsey's Country".
Ballycullenbeg, may be the only "Cullen" placename of the bunch that denotes a kin-group and not a personal name. Tullygorey in Narragh barony Co. Kildare existed on the fringes of Clanmaliere in the 12th century and was also in Archibishop Alen's register of having a church in 1297, and was Cluain Ard Mhic Guaire, i.e. Mac Guaire's high meadow.
If I plot out everything geographically, there's a geographic area that has both relevant placenames (Ui Guaire and maybe Ui Cuilinn), population, pardons, and a possible Annals entry. And that is "Clanmaliere", i.e. Clann Mhaoilughra, or "O'Dempsey's Country".
Ballycullenbeg, may be the only "Cullen" placename of the bunch that denotes a kin-group and not a personal name. Tullygorey in Narragh barony Co. Kildare existed on the fringes of Clanmaliere in the 12th century and was also in Archibishop Alen's register of having a church in 1297, and was Cluain Ard Mhic Guaire, i.e. Mac Guaire's high meadow.
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Offaly (Kings) / Re: GORRY/GURRY/GOREY from Geashill-Cloneygowan for Y-DNA Research
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 02:06 BST (UK) »
Two O'Guaire appear in the Annals of the Four Masters, and these are without a doubt in the midlands, if not Offaly itself.
962. Cairbre Ua Guaire, head of the hospitality of Leinster, died.
1032. Tadhg Ua Guaire, lord of Ui-Cuilinn, was slain by the son of maol-na-mBo.
"Head of the hospitality" infers a bishop or abbot, and "of Leinster" would seem to infer that this is the church at Kildare, as it was the head church of the kingdom of Leinster. It's vague, which is probably why it's not in the offical abbott/bishop lists. However at this time, St. Brigid's church at Cill Dara lie within the kingdom of Ui Failghe, which extended almost all the way to Newbridge, Co. Kildare prior ot the Norman invasion. This period is especially violent, as it was in the Viking Age. Kildare was being consistently looted and burned by Vikings sailing up the Liffey (much of the monastic community slaughtered). There certainly could have been a circumstance of an interloper kin-group muscling their way into an ecclesiastic office circa 960.
The Tadhg Ua Guaire in question was killed by Dermot mac Maol-na-mBo, king of the Ui Cennsalaigh and soon afterwards king of Leinster. The location of "Ui Cuillinn" is lost to history. Cuilinn is a corruption of the given name Cuilen (now Coileain), which was extremely popular in Offaly and peculiar to the O'Dempseys of Clanmaliere, who had many chiefs of the name. There are many townland names in Offaly and Laois denoting an Ui Cuilen/Ui Coileain kin group, whether there were multiple or which may have been associated with the O'Guaire is a mystery. A side-note: I think it's certainly possible "McLain" could be an odd variant of MacCoileain, however once I was able to find O'Connor Faly hiring Redshanks, I had to take my name for face value barring a match to a "Cullen" or
"Killan" etc.
Now to the name in the Fiants...
"Guaire" was pronounced "Goo-uh-reh" initially, with a rolled "R", it gave the impression "Guwoodeh". This pronunciation went on in Offaly through the 16th century, but outside of here, the "Goouhree" was dominant, which probably had something to do with the English language being more prevalent. Interestingly, the mac-prefix was dominant in the midlands. The name is quite corrupted and bastardized by the english pen, from "Garre" to "Guowde", and sometimes the G blends into the hard consonant of the "Mac". It's clear the writer is guessing as to what the last syllable or vowel really is.
28 Aug 1551 Molmore M'Iguowde, kern (possibly Geashill, but many listed are O'Dempsey kern)
28 Oct 1562 Murrough macGarre (w Lysagh m'Morrough O'Connor, who held pt of Geashill)
11 Jun 1575 James Maguodo, kern (w Cormac mac Brian O'Connor, who employed Scots)
28 Aug 1575 Donough m'Edm. M'Korroe (w Owen mac Hugh O'Dempsey of Cloneygowan)
5 Apr 1578 James M'Guoode, Cohegre M'Guoode (w M'Gillapatrick sept, who held Geashill)
4 Dec 1600 Donogh M'Gorro, of the Carrick, Co Kildare
28 May 1601 Carbry, Donnell, and Ferral M'Ewery, husbandmen, of Castleton, Co Westmeath
1 Jul 1601 Conoulough M'Guode of Philipstown (Daingean).
Based on these pardons, it seems the bulk of the O'Guaire prior to 1600 were in Geashill under either the "Mac Giolla Padraig" or "Mac Laoiseach" septs of the O'Connor Faly, or in Cloneygowan area under O Diomosach. Something interesting with the first fiant in 1551: the surname seems to indicate "Mac Ui Guaire", meaning Son of the descendant of Guaire. This was something that was sometimes done to differentiate one branch of the family from another which it had split off from, perhaps in another district. Many of the individuals listed in that fiant are listed later on as kern with Owen mac Hugh O'Dempsey. Perhaps a branch of the Ui Failghe O'Guaire went to Clanmaliere? Just a theory.
In the 1659 census, there are 6 "GARRE" families in Coolestown barony, which are probably represented by the great number of Gorrys in Clonsast parish in modern times. I've attached a map I've put together of the Gorry/Gorey/Gurry baptisms 1825-65. Three large clusters develop, that is Kilbeggan, Clonbulloge, and Summerhill. One Gorry tester is from Tullamore which seems to be an offshoot of the Kilbeggan cluster, while the other is from the Summerhill group. It's my opinion that since there are no pardons in the Clonbulloge area, that all three of these groups probably diverged from Geashill-Cloneygowan in the plantation era. However it's worth mentioning that part of Clonbulloge RC parish's district comprises of half of Ballykean, so many of these baptisms are probably from there.
I'd like to find a participant from Geashill/Cloneygowan because it's a theoretical likelihood of the family's origin. Although I'm hoping to find a closer Gorry from my branch, its possible someone from here could branch off from any part of this family that has developed.
So I'll close with a pre-emptive thank you for reading, and if you have any O'Guaire relatives who you'd like to send this link to, you can either reply, or PM me. Feel free to click on the thumbnails I've added of some maps I've put together.
962. Cairbre Ua Guaire, head of the hospitality of Leinster, died.
1032. Tadhg Ua Guaire, lord of Ui-Cuilinn, was slain by the son of maol-na-mBo.
"Head of the hospitality" infers a bishop or abbot, and "of Leinster" would seem to infer that this is the church at Kildare, as it was the head church of the kingdom of Leinster. It's vague, which is probably why it's not in the offical abbott/bishop lists. However at this time, St. Brigid's church at Cill Dara lie within the kingdom of Ui Failghe, which extended almost all the way to Newbridge, Co. Kildare prior ot the Norman invasion. This period is especially violent, as it was in the Viking Age. Kildare was being consistently looted and burned by Vikings sailing up the Liffey (much of the monastic community slaughtered). There certainly could have been a circumstance of an interloper kin-group muscling their way into an ecclesiastic office circa 960.
The Tadhg Ua Guaire in question was killed by Dermot mac Maol-na-mBo, king of the Ui Cennsalaigh and soon afterwards king of Leinster. The location of "Ui Cuillinn" is lost to history. Cuilinn is a corruption of the given name Cuilen (now Coileain), which was extremely popular in Offaly and peculiar to the O'Dempseys of Clanmaliere, who had many chiefs of the name. There are many townland names in Offaly and Laois denoting an Ui Cuilen/Ui Coileain kin group, whether there were multiple or which may have been associated with the O'Guaire is a mystery. A side-note: I think it's certainly possible "McLain" could be an odd variant of MacCoileain, however once I was able to find O'Connor Faly hiring Redshanks, I had to take my name for face value barring a match to a "Cullen" or
"Killan" etc.
Now to the name in the Fiants...
"Guaire" was pronounced "Goo-uh-reh" initially, with a rolled "R", it gave the impression "Guwoodeh". This pronunciation went on in Offaly through the 16th century, but outside of here, the "Goouhree" was dominant, which probably had something to do with the English language being more prevalent. Interestingly, the mac-prefix was dominant in the midlands. The name is quite corrupted and bastardized by the english pen, from "Garre" to "Guowde", and sometimes the G blends into the hard consonant of the "Mac". It's clear the writer is guessing as to what the last syllable or vowel really is.
28 Aug 1551 Molmore M'Iguowde, kern (possibly Geashill, but many listed are O'Dempsey kern)
28 Oct 1562 Murrough macGarre (w Lysagh m'Morrough O'Connor, who held pt of Geashill)
11 Jun 1575 James Maguodo, kern (w Cormac mac Brian O'Connor, who employed Scots)
28 Aug 1575 Donough m'Edm. M'Korroe (w Owen mac Hugh O'Dempsey of Cloneygowan)
5 Apr 1578 James M'Guoode, Cohegre M'Guoode (w M'Gillapatrick sept, who held Geashill)
4 Dec 1600 Donogh M'Gorro, of the Carrick, Co Kildare
28 May 1601 Carbry, Donnell, and Ferral M'Ewery, husbandmen, of Castleton, Co Westmeath
1 Jul 1601 Conoulough M'Guode of Philipstown (Daingean).
Based on these pardons, it seems the bulk of the O'Guaire prior to 1600 were in Geashill under either the "Mac Giolla Padraig" or "Mac Laoiseach" septs of the O'Connor Faly, or in Cloneygowan area under O Diomosach. Something interesting with the first fiant in 1551: the surname seems to indicate "Mac Ui Guaire", meaning Son of the descendant of Guaire. This was something that was sometimes done to differentiate one branch of the family from another which it had split off from, perhaps in another district. Many of the individuals listed in that fiant are listed later on as kern with Owen mac Hugh O'Dempsey. Perhaps a branch of the Ui Failghe O'Guaire went to Clanmaliere? Just a theory.
In the 1659 census, there are 6 "GARRE" families in Coolestown barony, which are probably represented by the great number of Gorrys in Clonsast parish in modern times. I've attached a map I've put together of the Gorry/Gorey/Gurry baptisms 1825-65. Three large clusters develop, that is Kilbeggan, Clonbulloge, and Summerhill. One Gorry tester is from Tullamore which seems to be an offshoot of the Kilbeggan cluster, while the other is from the Summerhill group. It's my opinion that since there are no pardons in the Clonbulloge area, that all three of these groups probably diverged from Geashill-Cloneygowan in the plantation era. However it's worth mentioning that part of Clonbulloge RC parish's district comprises of half of Ballykean, so many of these baptisms are probably from there.
I'd like to find a participant from Geashill/Cloneygowan because it's a theoretical likelihood of the family's origin. Although I'm hoping to find a closer Gorry from my branch, its possible someone from here could branch off from any part of this family that has developed.
So I'll close with a pre-emptive thank you for reading, and if you have any O'Guaire relatives who you'd like to send this link to, you can either reply, or PM me. Feel free to click on the thumbnails I've added of some maps I've put together.
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Offaly (Kings) / GORRY/GURRY/GOREY from Geashill-Ballykean for Y-DNA Research
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 02:05 BST (UK) »
Good evening Rootschat,
My name is Chris McLain Beal, and have been researching my ancestors in Offaly for close to twenty years (I'll have to split this post into two parts). I have been administering the "Cenel Brenainn" Project on FamilyTreeDNA since 2017...
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/activity-feed
I've been meaning to take to this forum for a while and search for volunteers. I am looking for any O'Guaire men who have a papertrail to the Geashill-Cloneygowan area back to the early 19th century to volunteer for Y-DNA research. As it would further our group's research and answer many questions about the where/when of our larger family, I would gladly purchase the kit and send it to the volunteer free of charge as a gracious thank you for participating. This is a "BigY700" test from FamilyTreeDNA, so it would have to be a male on the O'Guaire line who has the ancestry back to Geashill-Cloneygowan. I'll explain my research and why I'm looking for someone from that area.
My McLains came from Lehinch, near Clara. However as you probably know, McLain (Mac Giolla Eain) is a name from the western isles which became scattered all over Ireland prior to 1600, as this was a "Redshank" family that began coming into Ireland c.1480. I've known for some time now that my Y-DNA is native to the midlands, but only fairly recently have I been able to determine that I am really an Ó Guaire. After years, I've been able to determine that MacLean mercenaries (along with a great number of Campbells and MacNeills) came into Offaly in the early 1570s, acquired by Cormac mac Brian O'Connor Faly. Initially this large group of mercenaries were employed by Clanricarde Burke's sons in the "Mac an Iarla" rebellions, and burned Athlone in 1571. Cormac, "chief of all rebels and malefactors in the midlands", acquired many or close to all of these Redshanks by the time the Burkes were submitting to the government in 1572. On 19th April 1573, the President of Connaught wrote to the Lord Deputy "Scots near Athlone under Cormac Oconor." It seems that a group of MacLeans "picked up" Ó Guaire DNA at some point whether it was in a martial capacity (i.e. kerns being absorbed into a kindred of redshanks) or just one of the many endless ways this could have occurred.
I have a small kin-group of matches. One Gorry from Tullamore, one Gurry from Clondoogan, Co. Meath, two other McLains with whom I share an ancestor with in Lehinch, and a Fraher from Waterford (who also must be a Gorry, as the name was numerous in his ancestor's area as well). Our common ancestor, an Ó Guaire, lived sometime around the early 10th century, very likely in Offaly. Our much greater distant relations are Ui Briuin Breifne, which is another mystery in itself. That is, we are distantly related to the O'Rourkes, O'Reilly, MacGoverns, MacKiernans, but it seems a branch of Ui Briuin Breifne came into Offaly by the 10th century.
Until our second O'Guaire match (a Mr. Peter Gurry whose family came from Clondoogan), it was a mystery what the actual surname was, I could only tell that it was a distant Connacht>Midlands origin. But once this occurred and showed that Mr. Gorry and Mr. Gurry have an ancestor who lived about 1220-1310, things began to take off. I even found the O'Guaire genealogy in the Book of Ballymote that proves our relation to the other Breifne kindreds.
"Brenaind son of Fearghna, had two sons, i.e. Baithin and Dubh da crich. Dubh da Chrich had six sons, i.e. Dubhthach, Dobran, Mael Bennachta, Murchadh, Guairi, and Fannan. From Dubhthach are descended the Ui Dubthaigh, from Murchadh are descended the Ui Murchadha, from Guairi are descended the Ui Guairi, from Fannan are descended the Ui Fandan. Baithin, son of Brenaind, had a son Maenach. Maenach had seven sons, i.e. Eochaid, the ancestor of the Tealach Eachath, Dunchadha, the ancestor of the Teallach Dunchadha, Finducan, the ancestor of the Ui Finducan, Braenan, Corcran, Ciarmac and Mael Duin- he was the worst of them because Dallan cursed him."
(This Brenaind corresponds with a Y-DNA mutation now called "A5902" which is what my DNA group is based on, i.e. "the Cenel Brenainn". His ancestors go through the Ui Briuin dynasty throught he kings of Connacht, with corresponding dna markers and mutations, and ultimately the individual who may be "Conn of the Hundred Battles" if he was an actual person, the myth, history and folklore seem to blend by that point).
My name is Chris McLain Beal, and have been researching my ancestors in Offaly for close to twenty years (I'll have to split this post into two parts). I have been administering the "Cenel Brenainn" Project on FamilyTreeDNA since 2017...
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/activity-feed
I've been meaning to take to this forum for a while and search for volunteers. I am looking for any O'Guaire men who have a papertrail to the Geashill-Cloneygowan area back to the early 19th century to volunteer for Y-DNA research. As it would further our group's research and answer many questions about the where/when of our larger family, I would gladly purchase the kit and send it to the volunteer free of charge as a gracious thank you for participating. This is a "BigY700" test from FamilyTreeDNA, so it would have to be a male on the O'Guaire line who has the ancestry back to Geashill-Cloneygowan. I'll explain my research and why I'm looking for someone from that area.
My McLains came from Lehinch, near Clara. However as you probably know, McLain (Mac Giolla Eain) is a name from the western isles which became scattered all over Ireland prior to 1600, as this was a "Redshank" family that began coming into Ireland c.1480. I've known for some time now that my Y-DNA is native to the midlands, but only fairly recently have I been able to determine that I am really an Ó Guaire. After years, I've been able to determine that MacLean mercenaries (along with a great number of Campbells and MacNeills) came into Offaly in the early 1570s, acquired by Cormac mac Brian O'Connor Faly. Initially this large group of mercenaries were employed by Clanricarde Burke's sons in the "Mac an Iarla" rebellions, and burned Athlone in 1571. Cormac, "chief of all rebels and malefactors in the midlands", acquired many or close to all of these Redshanks by the time the Burkes were submitting to the government in 1572. On 19th April 1573, the President of Connaught wrote to the Lord Deputy "Scots near Athlone under Cormac Oconor." It seems that a group of MacLeans "picked up" Ó Guaire DNA at some point whether it was in a martial capacity (i.e. kerns being absorbed into a kindred of redshanks) or just one of the many endless ways this could have occurred.
I have a small kin-group of matches. One Gorry from Tullamore, one Gurry from Clondoogan, Co. Meath, two other McLains with whom I share an ancestor with in Lehinch, and a Fraher from Waterford (who also must be a Gorry, as the name was numerous in his ancestor's area as well). Our common ancestor, an Ó Guaire, lived sometime around the early 10th century, very likely in Offaly. Our much greater distant relations are Ui Briuin Breifne, which is another mystery in itself. That is, we are distantly related to the O'Rourkes, O'Reilly, MacGoverns, MacKiernans, but it seems a branch of Ui Briuin Breifne came into Offaly by the 10th century.
Until our second O'Guaire match (a Mr. Peter Gurry whose family came from Clondoogan), it was a mystery what the actual surname was, I could only tell that it was a distant Connacht>Midlands origin. But once this occurred and showed that Mr. Gorry and Mr. Gurry have an ancestor who lived about 1220-1310, things began to take off. I even found the O'Guaire genealogy in the Book of Ballymote that proves our relation to the other Breifne kindreds.
"Brenaind son of Fearghna, had two sons, i.e. Baithin and Dubh da crich. Dubh da Chrich had six sons, i.e. Dubhthach, Dobran, Mael Bennachta, Murchadh, Guairi, and Fannan. From Dubhthach are descended the Ui Dubthaigh, from Murchadh are descended the Ui Murchadha, from Guairi are descended the Ui Guairi, from Fannan are descended the Ui Fandan. Baithin, son of Brenaind, had a son Maenach. Maenach had seven sons, i.e. Eochaid, the ancestor of the Tealach Eachath, Dunchadha, the ancestor of the Teallach Dunchadha, Finducan, the ancestor of the Ui Finducan, Braenan, Corcran, Ciarmac and Mael Duin- he was the worst of them because Dallan cursed him."
(This Brenaind corresponds with a Y-DNA mutation now called "A5902" which is what my DNA group is based on, i.e. "the Cenel Brenainn". His ancestors go through the Ui Briuin dynasty throught he kings of Connacht, with corresponding dna markers and mutations, and ultimately the individual who may be "Conn of the Hundred Battles" if he was an actual person, the myth, history and folklore seem to blend by that point).
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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Help me find the Church of Ireland church of Ballykean
« on: Tuesday 27 May 25 16:07 BST (UK) »
Simon, I have the book in question and Sinann is correct.
"The parish was also known as Killeighy alias Ballykean"
"Teampall Tireen, or 'church of a small portion of land', was Templetherneen, then Templekieran in the OS Maps. This Ciaran, Ciaran Cluana Sasta, may have been a monk of the monastery of Clonsast. Kilkeeran is a townland near Cloneygowan (Cill Ciaran: Church of Ciaran) but no site shown on any map, nor noted in early OS documents". "Templetyrine was a site of some antiquity, there was a chapel and three acres glebe here in 1569."
The author of this book, P.J. Goode, covered a lot of extremely local history and very obscure facts that you probably will not find anywhere else, I highly recommend it if you're researching in the area.
"The parish was also known as Killeighy alias Ballykean"
"Teampall Tireen, or 'church of a small portion of land', was Templetherneen, then Templekieran in the OS Maps. This Ciaran, Ciaran Cluana Sasta, may have been a monk of the monastery of Clonsast. Kilkeeran is a townland near Cloneygowan (Cill Ciaran: Church of Ciaran) but no site shown on any map, nor noted in early OS documents". "Templetyrine was a site of some antiquity, there was a chapel and three acres glebe here in 1569."
The author of this book, P.J. Goode, covered a lot of extremely local history and very obscure facts that you probably will not find anywhere else, I highly recommend it if you're researching in the area.
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Kildare / McCLEANs from Killybegs-Clane
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 15:55 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon all,
My McClean ancestors were going back and forth to Dublin from the Kilybegs/Clane area in the 18th c.,. The 1798 Claimants have them losing a considerable amount of property in the rebellion and at the time were linen weavers in Cott, Killybegs (bordering Ballynagappagh). It seems there was a number of them in the area until the mid 19th c (also in Millicent, Loughbollard, Firmount aka Keapock, and Curryhills) and this may have been their place of settlement. MacLeans were a mercenary family and in the 1540 Extent of Irish monastic possessions, it was written that the tenants of Killybegs paid no customs or exactions and enjoyed 100 acres of common pasture in return for "coign and livery" which was the quartering of the lord's galloglass & kerne in their homes.
My branch of the family had gone into Offaly by the 19th c., so I have no knowledge or contact of any of the McCleans who may have stayed around Killybegs/Clane and would love to get in touch with that part of the family. Also if any McClean men from the area who have a papertrail to these Killybegs/Clane McCleans are willing to partake in genetic research, I'd gladly send a BigY700 test from FamilyTreeDNA at no cost to them as a thank you for advancing the research.
Chris McLain
My McClean ancestors were going back and forth to Dublin from the Kilybegs/Clane area in the 18th c.,. The 1798 Claimants have them losing a considerable amount of property in the rebellion and at the time were linen weavers in Cott, Killybegs (bordering Ballynagappagh). It seems there was a number of them in the area until the mid 19th c (also in Millicent, Loughbollard, Firmount aka Keapock, and Curryhills) and this may have been their place of settlement. MacLeans were a mercenary family and in the 1540 Extent of Irish monastic possessions, it was written that the tenants of Killybegs paid no customs or exactions and enjoyed 100 acres of common pasture in return for "coign and livery" which was the quartering of the lord's galloglass & kerne in their homes.
My branch of the family had gone into Offaly by the 19th c., so I have no knowledge or contact of any of the McCleans who may have stayed around Killybegs/Clane and would love to get in touch with that part of the family. Also if any McClean men from the area who have a papertrail to these Killybegs/Clane McCleans are willing to partake in genetic research, I'd gladly send a BigY700 test from FamilyTreeDNA at no cost to them as a thank you for advancing the research.
Chris McLain