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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Annie Brookes or Brooks
« on: Friday 04 May 07 10:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for those so far.

I'm going to accept George as the tailor as per karenlee & millymcb. My dad had found this separately, I subsequently discover, & it matches in the 1901 as well, when he seems to be married to Kate BAKER.

Thanks for that.

As for Eliza per millymcb:

I'm not sure about this one, as 26 in 1891 does not fit with known ages of 1 in 1861, 11 in 1871 & 20 in 1881.  Also there is an Elizabeth Brooks born Q4 1864 Wolverhampton, but I think this Elizabeth moved to Wiltshire per the 1871.

On the other hand, I was already aware of a 1901 Eliza Brookes that was then only on my possible list, spelled with an e, aged 39, leather machinist (RG13/2912/183/21). This is in Coventry. Also there does not appear to be any birth registered for an Eliza with or without an e in 1861-1862 so that age does appear to be "wrong", but fits better with the known ages quoted above.

[Ages of 1, 11 & 20 really fit only the Q2 1859 Eliza Brookes, who should therefore be registered as 30 or 31 in 1891 and 40 or 41 in 1901].

I'm inclined to accept that Eliza tentatively, therefore.

As for Richard: there is a Richard Brookes born Q2 1863 in Wolverhampton, which fits his age of 8 in the 1871. There is also a Richard Brookes born Q2 1861 in West Bromwich, which fits your citing. Contradicting all of this, there is an IGI record for Richard Brooks 8 Nov 1863 Wolverhampton to Richard & Ann Brooks, which is absolutely right & is also good for age 8 in 1871. On that basis I'll just bear it in mind at this stage.

As for Francis: your Francis is simply too old in my view, as we have Francis aged 4 in 1871. Your Francis is I think the Francis J born in 1861 to Lucy, which clearly does not match "our" Francis. So I'm not convinced yet.

As a matter of interest, we can't find Richard or Francis in the 1881 either.

Pity about the lack of Annies so far, as that's the one of real interest!!

Regards

Chris

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Annie Brookes or Brooks
« on: Thursday 03 May 07 22:48 BST (UK)  »
Annie was my great grandmother. She married James Albert Penn MOULE 1/08/1891 Wolverhampton.

We know her birth (17/05/1868 Wolverhampton) and marriage and she is in the censuses for 1871 (with her widowed dad George), 1881 (with her widowed aunt Eliza Thomas; also sister Eliza) & 1901 (married with JAP Moule).

But we cannot find her in the 1891. Nor can we find any of her siblings Eliza (b. ABT 1860 Wolverhampton, no deaths & no marriages recorded before 1891), George (Q4 1861 Wolverhampton, no deaths), Richard (Q2 1863 Wolverhampton, no deaths) or Francis (Q2 1866 Wolverhampton, no deaths). This implies that the family wasn't registered or it is under a very odd version of the name. I suspect the former.

The marriage certificate in August 1891 states that she was living in Waterloo Rd Wolverhampton, but I cannot find any trace in the relevant Wolverhampton West districts 36, 38 or 39.

Can anyone help, please?

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Staffordshire / Re: James Penn - Wolverhampton/ wife Cheshire
« on: Thursday 26 April 07 21:51 BST (UK)  »
Donna & Mo,

Thanks for that - brilliant! That's a whole new resource you pointed me at!

Regards
Chris

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Staffordshire / James Penn - Wolverhampton/ wife Cheshire
« on: Thursday 26 April 07 13:19 BST (UK)  »
Trying to establish the wife of James PENN, born 21 May 1819 at Kidderminster, without having to go & look up the parish records, 'cos I'm lazy!.

I am reasonably certain that the following entries relate to the family:
1851 census: HO107; Piece: 2018; Folio: 564; Page: 5 James PENN with Phebe born Sandbach in Cheshire aged 29 so born abt. 1822. One child aged 6 mths
1861 census: RG9; Piece: 1990; Folio: 80; Page: 14 James PENN with Phoebe born Sandbach in Cheshire aged 39 so born abt. 1822.

I have the death of a Phoebe PENN in Wolverhampton aged 48  in Q3 1870 ref 6b 326 (i.e. born abt 1822).

I cannot trace a suitable marriage between a James Penn & a Phoebe or Phebe.

The closest seems to be the marriage in Wolverhampton of James PEEN and Phoebe BICKERTON in Q1 1846, ref 17 352.

There is a possible Phoebe Bickerton in the 1841 census HO107; Piece 122; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Sandbach; County: Cheshire; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 24; Page: 5 (under the name Pheole) but she is given as 15, so born abt. 1826. I.e. the name & the place are right but the age is not.

Can anybody find a better marriage, or indeed confirm or negate this information, please, & if possible add to it?

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Warwickshire / Re: Moritboys=Coley
« on: Monday 23 April 07 15:22 BST (UK)  »
Stan

Hadn't thought of that one, believe it or not!

I had tho' got as far as thinking that George might simply have pushed off.

Regards
Chris

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Warwickshire / Moritboys=Coley
« on: Sunday 22 April 07 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but here goes. Sarah Coley born 3rd Q 1852 Yardley Wood ref 6d 131 appears to have married George Mortiboys born Q2 1989 Solihull ref XVI 540 - marriage Q4 1871 Aston 6d 625.

They seem to be in the 1881 census in Yardley, RG11/3084; Folio: 132; Page: 10.

Then George disappears. Sarah is given as a widow in Yardley in the 1891 RG12/2463; Folio 57; Page 7. In the 1901 census she has a son Bertie aged 10 who is not in the 1891, so the inference is that she was pregnant with Bertie at the time of the 1891, so presumably George was still around up to about August or September 1890!!

I cannot find a suitable death for George anywhere.

Anybody any ideas? This is a loose end for a branch of my tree but loose ends are annoying.

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Warwickshire / Looking for baptism: Edron BRADLEY
« on: Monday 06 November 06 12:51 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for the baptism of one Edron BRADLEY: married Lydia KELPACK 21/05/1798 Shipston On Stour; interred 20/03/1850 "aged 73" so putative birth date is 1775/76.

(Edron & Lyia had at least two children including one Elizabeth christened 17/05/1818)

Thanks

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Worcestershire / Re: Help needed in Ombersley
« on: Tuesday 31 October 06 22:14 GMT (UK)  »
To further that, if indeed he married Esther in 1792 (which of course I failed to read properly 1st time through) he is neither of these, but is instead John Maule ch 11/03/1764, & is the son of my Gt Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandfather William, himself the first son of the William & Alice I mentioned in the previous post.

If this is the case, we would like to know some more details about Sarah, please!

Regards

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Worcestershire / Re: Help needed in Ombersley
« on: Tuesday 31 October 06 22:05 GMT (UK)  »
My father has done some work on Moule (since that is us) & thinks that the John Moule mentioned is either:

John Maule christened 06/07/1733 Ombersley, son of Philip & Anne (nee Hardman) who married 16/06/1730 & had two children Thomas & John: in which case he married Sarah Jones on 30/06/1758 & had at least seven children including Sarah ch 22/11/1758, John ch 22/12/1759, Ann ch 21/12/1761, Mary ch 07/01/1764, John ch 13/05/1767, William ch 03/12/1769 & Richard 26/07/1772. Sarah died 18/03/1796.

OR

John Maule christened 08/02/1735 Worcester St Clements son of William ch 24/12/172 & Alice (nee Shipman) married around 1730: in which case he was one of 6 children, including William ch 01/03/1730 who was my Gt Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandfather.
Hope this helps.

Regards
Chris Moule

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