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Hi Valda,  You are a veritable mine of information. Many thanks for your last guidance about the Parish Registers. Regards, Peter

Hi Charlie, Just back on the computer after a long weekend in Eaton Socon, Cambridgeshire. Thanks for your very informative reply and I am indebted also to Valda for an additional piece of the jigsaw regarding John and Sarah's marriage in 1833. The Christian name of Viner crops up as a strong thread through my families ancestors and may have steered me off course with researching John Viner Catling. He appears on my GGf William Henry Catling's marriage cert, dated 17.2.1868 as his father, occupation cooper. William's wife is yet another Sarah, Poultney. That marriage took place in St Sepulchre, Northampton and my Gf Roland Newcomen Catling was born in Kingsthorpe, just to the north. I had assumed that John Viner C, born c1818 who married a Sarah Brown on 25.12.1842 was the correct connection, but from Valda's 1851 census data, the John Catling aged 55 listed would have been born around 1796. He too married a Sarah and my GGf, WHC is listed as their son at the same address, when he was 7. The other son, Thomas is in fact Viner, not Vince as scrutiny of the written entry reveals. A backmarker was an older term for a cooper.
I was thinking of obtaining this John/Sarah's marriage cert but the listings start in 1837, three years after they wed. Any suggestions as to identifying the  references for that cert would be appreciates - I am relatively new to this research which nevertheless is fast becoming addictive.
I would be glad of a copy of John Frederick Catling's marriage certificate. You might like a copy of William Henry's as attached ( I hope !).  By the way, he was my GGf's older brother, from those census entries and our ancestors are indeed connected through Mary Eliza Ringrose' marriage. If you are interested, my family tree is on GenesReunited - possibly yours is also.  Regards, Hotspur  (Peter)
Confusing!

Hi Charlie1, I am new to Rootschat so I hope that you will bear with me. I had been researching John Catling and tripped over Valda's very helpful research relevant to the Ringroses, from your perspective and the Catlings, from mine. It filled in much of my family connections and in particular, seemed to indicate that John Viner Catling, born c1818 was not my GGGf whereas the father of John Frederick Catling who married Mary Eliza Ringrose, another John Catling, born c1796, most probably was.
It seems that both Johns married Sarahs, thus the confusion on my part. This goes some way to explaining why I had been stuck at that point. My GGf, William Henry Catling, b1844, appears in the family group from the 1851 Census. Sarah G Catling,born c1805, thus would have been my GGGm and her maiden name, from Thomas Viner (not Vince) Catling's birth cert dated 1848 which I have, was Gardner. They were shown as living at 2 Nottingham Place, Shoreditch which co-relates.
St Leonard's Shoreditch was a strong focal point for the Catlings, many of whom I guess were related in some way. I have a list of over 46 between about 1770 and 1890 at that church alone.
I am now seeking details about John and Sarah, John Frederick's parents. If you or anyone else can help, I would be most grateful.
Regards, Hotspur