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I am looking for a Henry Taylor born abt 1838-1847 in UK or Ireland his woman Ann Geraghty born 1847 Co Westmeath Ireland. Henry was a Tin Plate Worker (could be either profession, foundry or Tinker).
All I have is his name mentioned in 1880 Warrington workhouse birth wife of The Legend of the
Romani Cymreig / Welsh Romani
The Romanichal and the Kale
Among the Gypsies entering the south of Britain during the 15th-17th centuries were two main groups, the Romanichal and the Kale. The Kale, who became the Welsh Gypsies, probably came from Spain, through France and landed in Cornwall, eventually making their way to Wales.
The two groups spoke different dialects. By the end of the 19th century the pure form used by the Romanichal had died out. It had mutated into a pidgin language, mixing Romani with English grammar and words, and this became the speech of Gypsies in England and South Wales. However, in North Wales the authentic dialect of the Kale was kept intact by the Wood family and was spoken at least until the 1950s. About 60% of this Welsh Romani consisted of Sanskrit (Indian) words; the remaining 40% harboured such tongues as Arabic, Iranian, Greek, Romanian, German, French, English and Welsh!
Tribal names
When Gypsies moved to a new region of Britain they often took on the family names of local (non-Gypsy) residents, hoping to gain protection against racial attack, or they might choose a name closest to their own in meaning. Henceforth, they would use one name among themselves and the other to non-Romanies. Some such borrowed surnames are Boswell, Buckland, Burton, Cooper, Gray, Heron, Ingram, Lee, Lovell, Smith, Stanley, Taylor, Wood and Young. Each tribe was ruled over by a sero rom (headman) and would travel its own particular circuit within a wide area.
British Gypsies unKn
TRIBES
Ayre
Boswell
Brownhill
Forse
Forsyth
Heron, Hearne
Horgan, Organ
Lee
Lock, Locke
Lovell
Northam
Price
Roberts
Webber
Wood
GYPSY
SCHOLARS
George Borrow
Francis H Groome
John Sampson
Augustus John
Abram Wood playing his fiddle
A Davies, VStreamİ
Romani CymruRomany Wales Project
Romani
Emily Slender, Barry
Rakli (Gypsy girl), Barry
The Legend of the
Romani Cymreig / Welsh Romani
The Romanichal and the Kale
Among the Gypsies entering the south of Britain during the 15th-17th centuries were two main groups, the Romanichal and the Kale. The Kale, who became the Welsh Gypsies, probably came from Spain, through France and landed in Cornwall, eventually making their way to Wales.
The two groups spoke different dialects. By the end of the 19th century the pure form used by the Romanichal had died out. It had mutated into a pidgin language, mixing Romani with English grammar and words, and this became the speech of Gypsies in England and South Wales. However, in North Wales the authentic dialect of the Kale was kept intact by the Wood family and was spoken at least until the 1950s. About 60% of this Welsh Romani consisted of Sanskrit (Indian) words; the remaining 40% harboured such tongues as Arabic, Iranian, Greek, Romanian, German, French, English and Welsh!
Tribal names
When Gypsies moved to a new region of Britain they often took on the family names of local (non-Gypsy) residents, hoping to gain protection against racial attack, or they might choose a name closest to their own in meaning. Henceforth, they would use one name among themselves and the other to non-Romanies. Some such borrowed surnames are Boswell, Buckland, Burton, Cooper, Gray, Heron, Ingram, Lee, Lovell, Smith, Stanley, Taylor, Wood and Young. Each tribe was ruled over by a sero rom (headman) and would travel its own particular circuit within a wide area.
British Gypsies unKn
TRIBES
Ayre
Boswell
Brownhill
Forse
Henry Taylor b 1838-1847 ?
1880 25th Sept Warrington workhouse birth James Taylor father Henry mother Ann Worral
son James Taylor baptism September 25th 1880. Have RC baptism James Taylor in Warrington James Taylor (my G dad) October 1880 child born September 25th 1880 Warrington, mother Ann ]Geraghty father Henry Taylor. No weds anywhere for Ann Worral or Geraghty and Henry Taylor. Is he made up for Ann and childrens protection as was an untraceable name then very common? Or was he a Gypsy traveller?
Then:
1881 census Ann Taylor Bolton workhouse Ann Taylor born Westmeath Ireland, married, two sons inmates my grandad and his brother Charles,
Then
1887 and 1889 my G uncle and granddad respectively enter St Josephs boys RC industrial school Manchester until age 16. Mother Ann Taylor married husband -no name dead! No marriage cert for Henry or Ann ever found. I wonder if he was a Gypsy, Ann is described as Tramp Vagrant in St Josephs records prison 5 times begging and drunkeness in Manchester jail.
Any help with Gypsy-Romany-Traveller experts? I know Taylor was a name used by Gypsy's, in Wales I read somewhere it was common with Travellers! They were not married, no baptisms apart from Waringrton wkhouse 1880 one, no marriage lines? only mention of Henry is the two above, maybe Ann's invention. I undertook a Y111 DNA paternal test and match absolutley no Taylors at all, but could a Taylor Gypsy not be a real Taylor of course, any help would be the D's Bllk's for me 16 years of trying for this guy Henry Taylor!
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