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Surrey / Re: Help getting back beyond about 1780
« on: Thursday 24 May 12 10:38 BST (UK)  »
Hello Bridget,

I haven't used this site for five years now.

Charles Machell (1775-1815) was the illegitimate son of Robert and (most probably) Martha.

I can give you more detail once I hear from you. I only myself discovered the link this morning.

How are you related to the above ?

Regards

Adrian

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Essex / Re: Stanford Rivers Essex
« on: Wednesday 10 January 07 19:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jane,

I sent an email to the address that you gave me on 31st December. It was quite long but  if you didn't receive it  I have posted it below.

Regards

Adrian

Hi Jane (or Phillippa or Gwendoline or whoever you want to be !)

Firstly we can establish our connection. Your Gx6 Grandparents are Stephen Jones and Mary Bull who are also my Gx5 Grandparents which makes us 6th cousins once removed.

I have opened up my family tree on Genes reconnected for you but if you need a GEDCOM file to update the relevant part of your tree then I can send it to you.

I have not researched any of the Keyte family although I do try to research cousins of my direct ancestors I could not go any further on Arthur Keyte because the IGI records him as 'Arthur Keyto', but now you have established contact I can have a look at my resources to see if I can help you gather any further information on the descendants of Arthur and Hester in early 18th Century London.

I am extremely pleased that you have made contact. Over the past few years I have researched most branches of my family tree. I much prefer it when there are others researching the same line. Two or more heads are far more effective one. Up to now I had not discovered anybody else researching the Jones of Stanford Rivers in Essex. I don't know a lot but am beginning to piece some information together.

Originally, I thought there would be a huge problem researching the name because of the surname being so common in the country. However, Jones being a name more associated with Wales and Western England, it was rather less common in Essex than elsewhere. The other thing that worked to my advantage is that Christian name 'Stephen' was far less common than it is nowadays but seemed to passed down from generation to generation within the family.

So it seems that the Jones family was the only Jones family in the village of Stanford Rivers and that all the Jones listed descend from Henry ( c 1680-1758) and Hester (being another name but sometimes written as Esther). Henry was a butcher from Bishops Stortford in Hertfordshire but seems to had property and connections to Chipping Ongar and Stanford Rivers. He was no doubt quite an important person and to the standards of time quite a wealthy man.

Obviously with passing of time and the proliferation of Joneses in Stanford Rivers during the 18th the wealth became more spread out and though they remained property owners in the area, the family's status diminished somewahat. My branch of the family moved to London in the early 19th Century and though relatively well educated were intiallly market traders and grocers in the Holborn area.

I don't know much more than that is on my family tree and what I have discovered online and also to my forays to the SoG and Guildhall Library in London. There is more to discover and at some stage I hope to visit the Essex Records office but we now live in Somerset so it will be difficult.

I am intrigued about how Arthur Keyte found his bride in the Essex countryside if as you say he moved to the City of London from Worcestershire. You say that you discovered information on him from your visit to the Guildhall Library.

Look forward to your reply. In the meantime I will see if I can get you any additional information on the Keytes.

Happy New Year

Regards

Adrian Donne


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Essex / Re: Stanford Rivers Essex
« on: Thursday 07 December 06 21:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gwendoline,

Did you get my message that I sent yesterday ? I can provide information on the Jones of Stanford Rivers, Essex.

Regards

Adrian

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Would like help Stanford Rivers , Essex
« on: Wednesday 06 December 06 00:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gwendoline,

I descend from the Jones of Stanford Rivers ( in fact from Stephen Jones, the brother of Esther ( Hester). Stephen Jones Snr ( married to Mary Bull) was born in 1722, Stanford Rivers, son of Henry Jones and Esther.

Mimosa was quite right in all her assertions.

Look forward to hearing from you about how you came to be researching this family. Its good to know that I am not on my own !!

Rgds

Adrian Donne

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Trying to trace my g-g-grandfather (I think!)
« on: Monday 09 October 06 12:59 BST (UK)  »
Hello Angua,

Hopefully I found the correct person now as I had originally thought that Charles Ellson was the great grand-child of Donald C-B.... a trigamist indeed !

The information posted below will hopefully explain everything. It is a copy of a reply that Charles sent to me last week. I assume that if we are talking about the same Donald then Priscilla was one of his three wives.... although it seems that they probably didn't stay together very long as she continued to live at 57 Ebury Street until 1970 at least and judging from the phone directories he was living there for only a few years.

i look forward to hearing from you

Adrian Donne

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:12:55 +0000, you wrote:

>Hello Charles,
>
>Priscilla Donne was the daughter of Walter Donne, a cousin of my
>great-grandfather, an artist of middling repute and Winifred Payne-Galwey.
>She was born in the Kensington area in 1906.
>
>An old ' Donne' family tree made in about 1950 had her married to a ?
>Creighton-Balfour although it was rather vague in its assertion.
>
>There were no children from this union, I was quite sure. However I did a
>Google search of Creighton- Balfour and came up with a few of your threads
>on Donald that you had posted on various internet sites in the past few
>years.
>
>I have discovered that a Priscilla Creighton-Balfour died in Depwade,
>Norfolk in 1992 aged 86. I have also discovered that a P Creighton-Balfour
>and a Major D Creighton-Balfour in 1950s  had separate telephone numbers for
>the same house, 57 Ebury Street, London SW. This was the house that Walter
>Donne had used as a studio for many years, he had died in 1948 aged 85 and
>had obvious left it to his only child, Priscilla. It seems that Major D
>Creighton- Balfour had a separate house in Wallington, Surrey also.
>
Assuming there aren't two of them :-( .

From the London Gazette 14 Aug 1959:-

Name of Deceased: CREIGHTON-BALFOUR, Major Donald

Address, description, date of death: The French Horn, Steppingley,
formerly of The Salisbury Crest, Essendon, Hatfield, Publican. 5th May
1958
=====
LG 8 Jun 1945:-
OBEs (Military)
Major Donald Creighton BALFOUR, Controller of Manpower, Gibraltar
=====
LG 26 Jul 1940
111887 Capt Donald Creighton BALFOUR promoted to Lt.
=====
LG 22 Oct 1929
RESERVE OF AIR OFFICERS
..undermentioned officers relinquish their commissions on completion
of service:-
Flight Lts.
Donald Creighton BALFOUR 1 Oct 1929


>It seems from what you say that your great-grandfather was a rather slippery
>character.
He isn't my ggf, I am not the OP.

>Obviously because of her age, Winifred could not been your
>grandmother, but it seems that towards the end of Donald's life, he was
>either conducting an affair, moved in with, or married Priscilla, (although
>again, I have no evidence of marriage, it probably wasn't Donald's style
>!!!!) although the relationship must have reached a certain level for her to
>have taken his name.
>
>Because of the evidence I am about 80% convinced that this is the same
>Donald. I would welcome any of your comments so we can confirm or refute my
>assertions above.
>
You could try for copies of wills which might name relatives and in
the case of Priscilla might give a rough guide to when she married
(i.e. going by the last time she was known by her maiden name).

The Times has a marriage entry on 25 Feb 1953 for John Brian
CREIGHTON-BALFOUR, youngest son of Maj. D Creighton-Balfour MBE, The
Bull Hotel, Wrotham and Mrs _M_ C-B. There is also a death
announcement on 16 Apr 1983 (d. 13th April) for Dorothy, 97y, daughter
of Sir Ralph and Lady Frankland PAYNE-GALLWEY, aunt of Priscilla; no
place is given but the cremation was in Chichester.

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