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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Monday 13 July 09 21:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello Mev
No info today. Hope you enjoy your trip to Ebenezer. It is a bit difficult to find but I can give you more precise information if you would like it. About 100 yards past the Chapel there is a car park.
It would be nice to meet as you will probably be driving past  my front door but I don't know how to let you know where I live because I believe there are some regulations when using this website about giving personal details
Best Wishes
Oliviv 

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Saturday 11 July 09 11:56 BST (UK)  »
Hello Mev

Its me again - I noticed the following which may be of interest to you.

On the 5th November 1839  at Merthyr Cynog Church
Evan Jones, bachelor (Blacksmith) of Tynewydd, Upper Chapel, the son of John Jones, blacksmith married Jane Probert Spinster of Tymawr Upper Chapel the daughter of David Probert, Farmer.
Jane’s death is recorded on her father’s headstone at Ebenezer Chapel, Upper Chapel as follows:-
In Memory of David Probert of Tymawr in this Parish who died April 18 1854  also Jane wife of Evan Jones, Dowlais Ironworks who died Sept. 6th. 1849 aged 30 years.The headstones have been relocated for Health and Safety reasons but the above mentioned headstone was next to the one of Thomas Bowcott of Brynhilyn who died May 17 1833 aged 68 years

The 1851 Census for Tymawr has the following entries
 Jane Probert Head Wid. aged 70 farmer of 80 acres
David Probert, son unmarried aged 40
Jane Jones, grand daughter aged 11 Scholar born Merthyr Cynog Parish
William Jones, Grandson aged 9 born Dowlais Ironworks

The Probert family are still living in the area. In fact my  paternal aunt and a maternal aunt married two Proberts.

Hope you are keeping well
Best Wishes
Oliviv

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Sunday 14 June 09 19:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello Mev

There is no luck on the Llandefaelog Bowcots as I suspected so I am going to concentrate on John Bowcott but most probably you already have the information and I must emphasise that it is only my interpretation of the tree which is not very clear.
John Bowcott born 2nd. March 1794 @ Alltmawr son of Richard Bowott (1763 - 1836)(I have a list of John's siblings but am not going to mention them unless you want to know)
John Married 29 May 1823 Ann Jones of Maemynis.
On the tree is list which I have interpretated as being the source of information:-
1841 Census Alltmawr
1851 Cendsus Llangenny, Crickhowell
1861 Census ?
1871 Census Llanfihangel Ystern Lewern, Mon
1812 Mentioned in g.fathers will
1816  - do - father's will
1858   - do brother Thomas's will
Died June 1875  aged 83
Wife Died Dec 1879
John and Ann Issue seam to be:-
Jane Bapt. 22 Mar 1824 Alltmawr 1841 Census Altmawr (15)
Richard 1 Feb 1826  - do -  (15)
Ann 5 Mar 1828   - do -   (13)
Mary Bp. 16 Jan 1831  - do -  (10) and 1851 Llangenny (20)
Margaret Bap 19 May 1833 - do - (8) 1851 Llangenny (17)

All at Alltmawr
Margaret died June 1884 agee 48 - Monmouth
Source List with a No. which I don't understand may be age

There is a second group namely
Eliza Bap 28 June @ Alltmawr 1841 Census for Alltmawr (5)
1851 Llangenny (15)
John Bap 23 Aug 1837 Alltmawr 1841 Census Allmawr (3)
Thomas Bap. 23 Oct 1840 1841 Census 6 mths
1851 Census Llangenny (10) 1861 Census ?? Married by 1871 Census to Sarah 1871 Census  Monmouth 28
(The tree then appears to give their issue but ask if you want info (Continuing with Thos - 1881 Census Monmouth (38)
1891 Census  Mon. (48) Died a widower 23 Nov. 1912 @ The Warra, Raglan Mon
Catherine Bowcott born circa 1844\5 1851 Censu Llangenny (6)
William Bowcott born 20 Mar 1846  1851 Census Llangenny (5) 1871 Census Mon. (23) 1881 Census Mon (34) 1891 Census Mon (42)

I hope that this may be of some use

Best Wishes Oliviv
 

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Sunday 14 June 09 11:20 BST (UK)  »
God's Truth what a list - I have lived in the Parish of Llandefaelog Fach since I retired from work and although I am interested in social history I have never heard of a Bowcott ever being mentioned or written about for this area - admittedly they are going back about 250 years.
 I will now have a look at the Family Tree but I am not being very hopeful of having a result - perhaps one of these days I can go and have a look at the local Church Records
Best Wishes
Oliviv
PS My computer skills are not what they should be - are my messages fairly legible

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Saturday 13 June 09 20:51 BST (UK)  »
Hello again

I am not promising anything but I am willing to give it a go
it may be less daunting if you start off with a selected list to begin with

Best Wishes

Oliviv

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Saturday 13 June 09 17:33 BST (UK)  »
Hello Again Mev

1st a geography lesson - Llandefaelog Fach is about 3 miles north of Brecon on the B4520 Road - on the same road as Upper Chapel. 2ndly The parish of Llanfihangel Fechan (known locally as Lower Chapel) was originally a part of the Parish of Llandefaelog Fach.
The copy of the 1851 census that I have clearly states that John Jones and his wife Margaret were born in Llanfihangel Fechan so I think Llanfihangel Brynpabuan is misleading. Tynewydd cottage was built on a field belonging to Richard Bowcott of Brynhillyn.
One of the Richard Bowcotts on the family tree(son of John) made a will in Dec. 1810 proven 22nd Feb.1812 mentions marriage settlement with first wife Mary Jones dated 30th June 1762 then Merthyr Cynog 8 December 1772 Richard Bowcott widower married Gwenllian Morgans - I  can't see a Gwenllian Powell.
Best Wishes
Oliviv

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Friday 12 June 09 22:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello again Mev

A bit more luck this time - There is a John Jones, Blacksmith aged 70 living At Tynewydd on the 1951 census for Merthyr Cynog Parish with his wife Margaret aged 71. Both were born in Llanfihangel Fechan and with them was their unmarried daughter Mary aged 28 also born in Llanfihangel Fechan (Lower Chapel). John and Margaret were still living there in 1861 (ages look like 80 and 79).
Guess what - at the next house about 300 yards away who is living there but Richard Bowcott aged 59 farmer of 18 acres who was born in Alltmawr with his wife Amelia aged 50 who was born in the Parish of Llywell (Brecs) with their grand daughter Joan aged 3  who was born in Lampeter Cards. This Richard and Amelia previously lived at Llwynrhydill the next farm towards Builth. I think I have already told you that they were buried at M.C. with dates. A bit more info to confuse things I see there is a Thomas Bowcott of Brynhilyn who died May 17 1833 aged 68 years buried at Ebenezer Chapel Upper Chapel.
An explanation about Tynewydd - (built circa 1840 - Tynewydd means 'New House') although it is in the Parish of Merthyr Cynog it is situated in the Upper Chapel area on the B4520 (Brecon / Builth Road) about 100 yards on the right after the B4519 branches off to the left.
It is in the Duffryn Honddu Upper Ward of Merthyr Cynog. It is now called Rose Cottage with a little bit of history, gossip and utter nonsense attached to it. The locals are convinced that Salmon Rushdie had his hideout in the cottage in the 1980's.
Something for you to mull over
Best Wishes
Oliviv
 

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Thursday 11 June 09 22:30 BST (UK)  »
Hello Mev
My apologis for not replying earlier and unfortunately I am unable to find any reference to a 'John Pritchard and Mary Bowcott on the family tree.
I have a copy of the M.I's for Llandefaelog but the only reference I can find (on the last line)
Lying loose in the Penoyre vault area =
John Bowcott and his wife Elizabeth. He died Feb. 6. 1795

I have checked the M.I's for John and Mary Pritchard but no luck

I also have the M I's for Merthyr Cynog church but I think I have already given the details namely - Richard Bowcott Late of Llwynrhydill died Mar. 13 1861 agd 69 years; Also Amelia relict died May 21. 1867 Aged 67
Thomas son of Richard Bowcott died Sept. 18. 1828 aged 2 months Also Howell died April 15 1836 aged 9 years and 5 months

Sorry for the lack of info

Best Wishes
Oliviv

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Breconshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lewis/Bowcott family
« on: Tuesday 26 May 09 17:14 BST (UK)  »
Hello again
I don't know if you are still researching the Bowcott family tree but the other day while looking at a list of Memorial Inscriptions for Ebenezer Chapel, Upper Chapel (in the parish of Merthyr Cynog)  I noticed the following inscription
Sacred to the Memory of James Bowcott
of Nantymynach in the Parish of Gwenddwr
Who died June 24, 1851. Aged 95 years.
I have no idea why he was buried at Ebenezer
Best Wishes
Oliviv


















Hello again
I don't know if you are still researching the Bowcott family tree or not but the other day while looking at a list of Memorial Insriptions for Ebenezer Chaperl, Upper Chapel (In the parish of Merthyr Cynog) I noticed the following:-
Sacred to the Memory of James Bowcott
of Nantymynach in the Parish of Gwenddwr
Who died June 24, 1851. Aged95 years

I have no idea why he was buried at Ebenezer
Best Wishes
Oliviv












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