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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Sunday 20 April 14 00:45 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Dowswell, a carpenter.  'Deceased' in 1873.  Therefore it appears that Thomas died some time between Henry's 2 marriages, that is between 1866 and 1873. (Tufty)......Thomas of St, Sampson, who married Elizabeth died in 1864 (tugboat)

Could be Henry in Cardiff was estranged from his kin back in Wiltshire and only learnt of his father's death a couple of years after the event.

I think Minety is in the Malmesbury district (tugboat)

I fully accept that the case for Thomas & Elizabeth as parents to Henry is not exactly water-tight.

But I am still waiting for either of you to build any kind of case for alternative parents!

None so blind......... (keyboard86)

It's always easier to be negative than positive.

Goodnight, chums.

Tufty

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Saturday 19 April 14 18:46 BST (UK)  »
keyboard86, re your 02.10 post today, it was only Henry who claimed his father was a carpenter, not Thomas himself.  Just snobbery on Henry's part, being in the big city, getting on in the brewing industry, not wishing to admit he came from mere Ag Lab stock?

Again, it is Henry (not Thomas) who in the 1871 census says he is from Mynety Wilts.  Is it simply that Mynety is in 'Greater Cricklade'?  Sometimes they just put the county.

By 1851 Henry would have been 15+, so I don't think it is strange in those hard-up times if he was no longer with his parents.

youngtug, re your post today, I said that in my post of 00.30 last Wednesday.  So do you think now that Thomas husband of Elizabeth is the Thomas Dowdeswell we are looking for?

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Saturday 19 April 14 12:07 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, I'm off to Cardiff City v Stoke now.  Pity me.  (Supporter 50 years).

Will reply later.

Tufty



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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Saturday 19 April 14 01:39 BST (UK)  »
Dear keyboard86 and youngtug....

One point: remember, the 1841 census attests that a Henry Dowsell was born to parents Thomas & Elizabeth in 1835-6, not 1841.

Now I must admit that Henry's marriage and death certificates (which I have) give an age which makes his birth to be 1841, as do subsequent censuses which he filled out.  However, if the marriage cert is to be believed, both Henry and Margaret were 25 when they wed, so I have gone along with believing that Henry fudged his age in order to appear younger, either for her, or for employment reasons when he migrated to Cardiff, or some other reason like vanity.  It happens, as you know!  I can see that the Henry Dowdsewell buried 1843 age 7 in Cricklade parish does sound awfully relevant, but it could be a different Henry D I suppose..

Incidentally, Henry D is 'Dowdeswell' on his daughter's birth certificate, 'Dowsell' on his son's and 'Dowswell' on his marriage cert!  Couldn't seem to make up his mind, but finally plumped for 'Dowsell" (death cert)

I think there may well be mileage in youngtug's Cricklade parish find: marriage of Thomas 'Poundsell' to Elizabeth Brown 19.12.1826 - which fits the ages of children born to Thomas & Elizabeth Dowsell of Cricklade in 1841 census - and also might explain Esther Brown living with them - Elizabeth's mother? - and Alfred Brown age 5 - son of a perhaps deceased sister of Elizabeth, therefore Esther's grandson?

Henry ('Harry' somewhere) married twice: second marriage being to Ann White in 1873.  On both those certificates he states his father to be Thomas Dowswell, a carpenter.  'Deceased' in 1873.  Therefore it appears that Thomas died some time between Henry's 2 marriages, that is between 1866 and 1873.

I hope you are both as intrigued by this as I am.

Any further progress would be gratefully received.

Tufty

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Thursday 17 April 14 20:56 BST (UK)  »
Thanks youngtug.  Being just retired myself, I understand exactly what you mean about diminishing time.  Any help appreciated.  God bless.

Tufty

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Thursday 17 April 14 20:37 BST (UK)  »
Nell, he said it had been on back burner for "a few YEARS"!!!

Really haven't a clue how things work on here.  Please forgive....😊   

Yours tuftiestly

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Thursday 17 April 14 20:12 BST (UK)  »
Do you possess a front burner?

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Thursday 17 April 14 20:01 BST (UK)  »
Well get on with it man!  Your efforts are crucial!!

Let me know what you discover.................

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Wiltshire / Re: Thomas DOWSELL born about 1807 Cricklade, Wiltshire
« on: Thursday 17 April 14 16:44 BST (UK)  »
Dear youngtug and keyboard86

I think it is very likely that the Thomas Dowsell/Dowsall/Dowdeswell I am looking for is the one buried St Sampson 10.8.1864 age 57, therefore born 1807 (not Chelworth 8.1.1864 age 62, therefore born 1802).  This fits better with the 1851 census which puts Thomas's year of birth around 1807.  Also, there is a Henry Dowsell baptised Cricklade St Sampson 21.9.1834 (about right) to parents Thomas and Elizabeth Dowsell.

So I think I now have found the following ancestry:

Henry (Harry) Dowsell baptised 21.9.1834 Cricklade St Sampson, died 14.4.1882 Cardiff....son of

Thomas Dowdeswell baptised 15.10.1806 St Sampson, buried 10.8.1864 age 57 St Sampson (and Elizabeth ?).....son of

John Dowsell baptised 24.7.1773 St Sampson, buried ?  (and Susanna ?)....son of

Thomas Dowsell...... (and Hester ?).....son of ?

Do you agree?

Can you fill any of the gaps?

Many thanks again

Tufty

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