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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 look-up WALLDER
« on: Monday 23 February 09 16:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sheila

I think the Wallder name cropped up spontaneously in several different places. I have always believed that it means Forest Dweller in German but have been told that UK Wallders first came over here with William the Conk in 1066 and were rewarded afterwards with lands in the Weald in Kent. Thus Wealder, an inhabitant of the Weald. The Anglo-Saxon word weald is derived from early German for forest and the Weald was an unpenetrable forest until 300 years ago. That's why there is a Walderslade at one end of the Weald in Kent and a Walderton at the other end of the Weald in Sussex. To view my family tree in GenesReunited you have to ask for permission to view so when you get that far send me a message via GenesReunited and I will click the relevent button.

Regards, Jeff Wallder

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 look-up WALLDER
« on: Sunday 22 February 09 20:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sheila

I have made some progress with Wallders since I last contacted you two years ago: on GenesReunited I have mapped out my branch of the family descended from Joseph Wallder and the branch descended from Thomas Wallder. But I haven't mapped out your branch descended from William Patrick even though I have it in outline from info sent to me by the late George Wallder. That branch is so comprehensive compared to the other two branches. Also no progress on identifying their father William Wallder who definitely came from Hornsey in North London and was married to a Sarah but no longer, I think, the William Wallder who married a Sarah Woods from Carshalton in 1805. How have you been getting on?

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 look-up WALLDER
« on: Wednesday 30 August 06 20:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sheila,

George Wallder, who was quite elderly, was living in Gosport near Portsmouth when I was in contact with him (for only about two months before he died) but he may well have retired there. As he worked as an art director who designed graphics for films he may well have lived most of his life in the London area.

He gave me a lot of info on his (and your) branch of the family which descended from William Patrick. As I say, a lady round the corner from where I live who is descended from the other brother (Thomas not Henry as I said in my last message) has given me her tree.

I have never mapped out my tree from the third brother Joseph but I have all the info in a box to do so. Or so I thought until last weekend when I met a cousin I haven't seen for some time and she told me that my grandfather Donald Thomas Wallder had another brother called Dick (married to Polly) in addition to his other brother Walter James Wallder. So I have a bit of checking to do in that direction.

Whether this 'Uncle Dick' came from Joseph's first marriage I do not know, my grandfather and his brother Walter were both from the second marriage to Priscilla Macmillan. Strangely. my late father never mentioned this Uncle Dick.

If I ever find details on William Wallder who was the father of the three brothers I'll put you in the picture.

Jeff


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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 look-up WALLDER
« on: Monday 28 August 06 22:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Celia, always good to meet another distant relative.

I knew very little about the Wallders outside of my line until earlier this year. I had traced my line back to Joseph Wallder (my great grandfather) and knew his father's name was William. But that was about all - despite the fact that I started the Genforum for Walder/Wallder a few years ago.

Then I made contact with George Wallder on the internet.

He told me that Joseph was one of three brothers: the other two being Henry and William. He too knew that Joseph and William and their families lived at the same address for a while. George Wallder was descended from your William as well and gave me a full tree for the William line. He explained that there are a lot of Wallders descended from your William living in Sheffield - the result of someone being stationed there in the Army and marrying a local lass.

He also put me in touch with a woman living round the corner from me who is descended from the other brother Henry - she supplied me with a full tree for that branch.

Then George sent me all his family research papers. George told me that our great great grandfather William Wallder (your ggggrandfather)was a coachman living in Hornsey who married a Sarah Woods from Carshalton in 1805.

I tried to trace this marriage via the usual routes and failed. I was looking at the IGI and for some reason decided to do a search for William and Sarah's 1805 marriage using Walder with one L. And up it popped on the IGI.

Now this didn't make sense, I couldn't understand why George thought this William Walder with one L could be our William Wallder with two Ls.  Also, the three brothers William, Joseph and Henry weren't born until about 15 years or more after the 1805 wedding date. That didn't seem right,  people dodn't wait 15 years to start a family specially in those days.

So I sent George an e-mail asking him to explain. I received a reply - from his widow!

She explained that George had just died (not unexpectedly). By asking the question a week or so too late, it remains an unexplained enigma to me.

Don't suppose you have any info on the 'William' who was the father of the three brothers William, Joseph and Henry?

Let me know how I can help you.

Jeff Wallder

 

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 look-up Wallder
« on: Sunday 27 August 06 22:55 BST (UK)  »
Celia - Last December you were asking for info on Joseph Wallder, a fruit porter of Hornsey, and his brother, William Wallder of Hornsey, a paper bag maker.

Joseph was my great grandfather - could you kindly let me know your interest in him? Jeff

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