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Peg,
The MORLEY/FLATLEY family also connects to mine through the Margaret MORLEY you mention below, back thorugh Austin MORLEY / Mary KEARNS and Mary KEARNS' parents Thomas KEARNS and Mary FORDE. Thomas and Mary were my 3x great grandparents.

Regards,
Joe

ann,  My late husband's great grandfather was John Flatley born LeCarrow knock in 1836  He married Margaret Morley (born 1831 Wingfield Drum).  John died in Knock 1892-95.  Margaret in 1908.  John's father was William (died 1891-1900), mother named McGloughlin.  Margaret Morley's father was Austin Morley, mother Mary Kearns.
John and Margaret had several children including  a daughter Mary Agnes who  lived in New Hampshire and a son Dominick who was my husband's grandfather. Dominick Flatley married Nora Flatley (same name no relation) in 1905. Nora's father was William (1831-1898-1900) and her mother was Bridget O'connell (1831-1898) both from Ballyhaunis.  Dominick was a stone mason and became quite prominent in our little town of Manchester, MA.  I have more and pix. Email me at (*).

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I have some Flatley's married into my Mayo Kearns branches in a few places:

Mary "Marie" Flatley of Cullentragh [d. 3 Nov 1945] (daughter of William Flatley and Bid Connell of Falmore) married Bernard/Bryan Kearns of Wingfield

Also, Thomas "Mick" Kearns [b. 15 Aug 1887 Knock / d. 12 Feb 1985] (1) married Bridget Flatley on 25 Aug 1914 and then (2) married Delia Flatley [b. 1901 / d. 11 Sep 1995] on 23 Aug 1921 in Wingfield, Knock. Delia was the daughter of Mike Flatley of Leachta and Julia <unknown> of Wingfield. It's possible both Flatley wives of Thomas Kearns were sisters.

Let me know if any of these people ring a bell!

Joe
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behopste,
Not sure if this is yours or not, but there is a Thomas Thompson found in South Fork, Delaware County, Iowa in the 1870 census, born in England, with an occupation of "clergyman". His listed age of 39 puts his birth at abt 1831, but of course in those days people weren't always consistent about what they put for their age.

Also listed:
Mary M [wife], 38, born IA
Sarah [daughter], 12, born IA
Frank [son], 10, born IA
Charles L. [son], 6, born IA
Willie [son], 1, born IA

Frank could be the child you mention.

For others, you could try searching the LDS records at familysearch.org which also includes the 1880 US census.

Regards,
Joe

My search is for the passage of 1) Thomas Thompson born 1837-38 at Womersley, West Riding, Yorkshire, England, who went to the USA sometime after 1851, (is on this census) can not be found for certain on the US Federal census for 1860 YET is the father of a child born 31 Oct. 1861 in Iowa.

2) for a John Thompson, who could be Thomas's brother born 1829 at Womersley and is not found on the 1851 Census in England

3) for a William Spencer, Yorkshire, England who with the John Thompson above signed papers as to the fact that Thomas Thompson was who he said he was when transacting a land deal in Nebraska in the late 1860's

4) for a Joseph Thompson, who is listed on the 1880 Federal Census in Nebraska, USA, as the father of Thomas Thompson and is the age of 82. Thomas's father died in England in 1871 at Womersley and is buried there at St. Martin's parish.

How do I do this with such common names?

I was reviewing some Ellis Island immigrant ship manifests for some of my Irish ancestors and noticed that one column titled "Immigration Visa" contains a date of issue, Irish place of issue and an ID number. Can anyone tell me if this information is of any value in finding out more about a particular immigrant prior to his arrival in the US? Are there more detailed records somewhere in Ireland that pertain to these immigration visa applications?

Thanks,
Joe

Leofrick,
Thanks for the links. I'll definitely check them out. A short while ago, luimneach also gave me a helpful overview which I'm reposting below for everyone's benefit:
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"ireland as you know is quite small-32,000 sq miles-about the size of one of your states.the country is divided into 32 counties-the average size about that of... limerick-1,000 sq miles-size of rhode island. in the past each county was subdivided into smaller areas known as baronies. for administrative purposes such as taxes these were subdivided into civil parishes-these were not the same as church parishes. the final subdivision was into townlands-small rural districts which in many cases did not even contain a village-a typical townland would be say a couple of hundred acres-less than a sq mile. if you look at the land occupation records compiled by griffith in the 1850's individual holdings are located for tax purposes by: townland-civil parish-barony-county."
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Unfortunately, this seems to mean that things like the 1901 Leitrim-Roscommon census, while otherwise very useful, still might not indicate the village of an ancestor, since it stops at the townland! Oh, well, it's a start.

Regards,
Joe

I have been similarly bewildered in the past! I scoured maps looking for Townlands, until I was told that they don't appear on ordinary roadmaps.

Here are two sites that explain in detail the definitions of the various divisions:-

http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/geoghelp.htm

(look at the glossary)

and

www.ancestry.com/library/view/news/articles/2435.asp

Have fun
Leofric