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World War One / Battle of Neuve Chapelle Centenary
« on: Monday 16 March 15 09:41 GMT (UK)  »
This post is just for interest.  Last week I travelled to Flanders and walked/cycled the battlefield of Neuve Chapelle (10-13 March 1915). A very significant but often neglected battle of WW1.  This was in memory of my Grandfather William Allen who served with 1/3 Battalion (City of London) Regiment of the Royal Fusiliers. His battalion formed part of the Garwhal Brigade - Meerut Division of the Indian Corps.  Indian Troops formed half of the British forces in the battle and suffered some 4,200 casualties and there is a magnificient memorial to the Indian Troops that fought in WW1 at the La Bombe (Port Arthur) crossroads at Neuve Chapelle.  From Regimental trench maps, handwritten maps and brigade/divisional messages as well as the citation in the London Gazette I was able to locate and stand on the very ground where my Grandfather earned the DCM.  I visited many cemetaries, all of which are beautifully maintained by the CWGC and was able to find some of the graves belonging to my Grandfathers fallen comrades.  My Grandfather also fought in the disastrous Battles of Aubers Ridge and Festubert (May 1915) and was later wounded in June 1915 by a high explosive shell which killed four of his colleagues. He took no further part in the War and died in 1937. Again I was able to pinpoint the location where this happened from the War diary and maps of his battalion.  The visit culminated in attending a ceremony held at 3pm on Friday 13th to commemorate the Centenary and the involvement of Indian troops at the Indian Memorial.  On my visit I met many people from the UK including a coach party from Tring at the Le Touret Cemetary & Memorial who carried out a small ceremony and wreath laying on 12th in honour of Pte Edward Barber VC 1/Grenadier Guards on the centenary of his death.
Having visited the battlefields I re-read the account of the battle by Geoff Bridger. As I read I was able to picture the very locations and appreciate the circumstances which my Grandfather experienced 100 years before.  I would urge anyone reading this to do similar if they are researching their ancestors who fought in WW1.
In memoriam.  Frank

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Greywell St Mary lookup request
« on: Monday 03 November 14 15:15 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for the baptism of Thomas Paris.  The 1861 Census has him shown as being born in Greywell, Hampshire.  He is aged 62.  I would be grateful if anyone can look up the parish records of St Mary, Greywell.  Thank you.

Frank

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: where was he born?
« on: Friday 17 June 11 15:43 BST (UK)  »
In Wales a patronomic system was often used for naming offspring.  eg I have a ggg who was christened James James and his father is James Price.  So he was James son of James his twin was named John James.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dead father on birth certificate
« on: Friday 17 June 11 09:09 BST (UK)  »
Yes it was fortunate.  James was the younger brother of John, my ancester, who was born before civil registration and because I haven't found the marraige of their parents it gave me the mother's surname which broke down a bit of a brick wall.

It's not the only example I have of using a sibling's birth certificate around the time of civil registration to give info regarding parents.

On the note of father's on birth certificates.  My paternal grandmother's parents had six children. Two before getting married and four after wedlock.  All the children were registered in the mother's maiden name with no father shown.

Frank

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dead father on birth certificate
« on: Friday 17 June 11 08:21 BST (UK)  »
Here is an example whre not only the father is named but the date of his death is given.  Which was fortunate because I couldn't find his burial in the parish records.

Frank

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dates in old documents
« on: Wednesday 15 June 11 14:12 BST (UK)  »
According to the freereg link the correct way of describing dates between January and March up until 1752 is, as in my case, 15 January 1586/7.  If we count back from now, year on year, it would be 1587 but because the year used to start at the end of March in Elizabethan times the year would still have been 1586.

On another note being a bit of an amateur calligrapher I have fathomed out how the x's and v's came to be written as they were. Quill pens as well as most calligraphic nibs are squared off so in order to get ink on the page you have to draw the nib towards you.  We generally write an x from top left to bottom right and then top right to bottom left.  This would have been no different then so the letter would have been constructed with 2 strokes.  The first would be curved to the left and the second meeting up with the end of the first stroke and swirling in the exaggerated tail serif which gives the impression of a reverse g.

The v is constructed of 2 strokes as well.  The first being longer than the second and again curved to the left.  The second stroke shorter but curved to the right.  When written quickly it could easily look like a backward leaning b.  Clear as Mud :-\

Frank

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dates in old documents
« on: Monday 13 June 11 18:06 BST (UK)  »
In my reckoning then the 29th year of Elizabeth 1 reign was 17 Nov 1586 to 16 Nov 1587 so the year of the marriage must be 1587.

Frank

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dates in old documents
« on: Monday 13 June 11 17:50 BST (UK)  »
Elizabeth 1 reigned from 1558 so her 29th year would be 1587.  What does everybody think?

Frank

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dates in old documents
« on: Monday 13 June 11 17:43 BST (UK)  »
Wow.  I am knocked out by the response.  Thanks everybody.  It seems that the date is 15th January.  Now the next question is.  1586 or 1587.  From what you have said then it looks like it would be the 29th year of the reigning monarch?

Frank

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