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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Friday 09 January 26 20:06 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Friday 09 January 26 12:48 GMT (UK)
John's 1863 marriage licence/bond appears under "Cheshire Marriage Licence bonds" The form reads "aged .......... and upwards" and "21 years" has been entered in the space provided. This has been transcribed as "born 1842" which does not reflect his 1831 baptism (opening post).



Are you able to read John’s address from the marriage bond? I can’t quite work it out, I see Elizabeth’s is rice street which is where she grew up and where her daughter Hannah was living with her grandmother in the 1871 census

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Friday 09 January 26 19:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Friday 09 January 26 12:07 GMT (UK)
Was Elizabeth pregnant at the time of the marriage?  That could be a reason to “do the right thing” but didn’t work out long term.

Who were the witnesses to that marriage please?

It was a 5th October marriage in 1863 and their daughter was born July 26th 1864. So looks like she fell pregnant very quickly but unlikely to have been pregnant (or if she was wouldn’t of known)

There are no witnesses listed

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Friday 09 January 26 12:05 GMT (UK)  »
Yes the one who married Sarah, his father is also William. It says that William is a blacksmith (if I’ve read it right) which I believe my John’s William was a joiner throughout the census years.

Okay so there’s a possibility neither of them died (I don’t know if that makes this easier or harder haha)

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Friday 09 January 26 11:22 GMT (UK)  »
Yes I have looked and couldn’t find anymore children for them.

I wondered if a John Coward’s marriage to a Sarah Lunt in 1865 was him as age and location match up but no sign of him being a mariner on kids birth records with her and says he was a bachelor on their marriage doc (which assuming Elizabeth died I would think it would say widow?) So nothing to really rule out or say for sure it is.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Thursday 08 January 26 23:21 GMT (UK)  »
Oh thank you for clarifying that, it definitely does look like an H (and must be if it had a matching record on FreeBMD

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Thursday 08 January 26 18:35 GMT (UK)  »
Yes he was, which could explain why their daughter Hannah was with her grandmother but still not sure what happened to her mother Elizabeth.
There was a death of an Elizabeth Coward 10th November 1866 aged 25 buried Walton-on-the-hill but I have been unable to find it on the Gro index to get some more info on it.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / John and Elizabeth Mary coward
« on: Thursday 08 January 26 12:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I am really stuck on John Coward and Elizabeth Mary Williams and would appreciate any help!!

John Coward - born 1831 to William Coward and Ann Allen in Liverpool
Married
Elizabeth Mary Williams born October 1841 in Liverpool to William Williams and Hannah Jones

They married October 1863 in Liverpool. They had one daughter Hannah Osman Coward born July 26 1864.

But by the 1871 Census, their daughter Hannah Osman was living with her grandmother (at the same address on her birth record - Rice Street). Grandmother was Hannah Williams.

I cannot find any record of John and Elizabeth after this! I’m assuming one or both of them died but can find record of death for that time.

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