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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Tuesday 02 December 25 10:38 GMT (UK)  »
I'm not not sure if Vittorio Monzeglio came back already in 1914, for sure he fought in WWI, so in May 1915 - November 1918 for Italy but I have no idea exactly since which date.

Monzeglio around Italy is a rare family name, but in small towns around Alessandria was very popular. Vignale Monferrato, Casorzo, Montemagno are all small villages very close one to each other. So the same name doesn't mean there's a sure family connection.

I'd be curious just to discover by whom Vittorio (nephew) and Francesco (uncle) Monzeglio are connected. This could be not so easy. It is even difficult to relate some cousins here (when often they could carry the 1st name after the grandfather), because all these names are different between them. If Romano Monzeglio could be Francesco's brother, this would be a good pick, but there's not proof of it at the moment. The last name of the wife, Gaudio, also indicates that 99% she was from Vignale, too. Only Eraldo (b. 1880) is a bit more probable some of a cousin, because in the next gen. (b. 1906) there was another Eraldo, elder cousin of my grandpa (and a famous soccer player - world champion in 1934 & 1938 with Italian team).

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Monday 01 December 25 09:31 GMT (UK)  »
All I know about him is:

Vittorio Monzeglio, b. 1879, in 1913 was alredy married (second) with Firmina Mortarotti (she surely never was in the US), with at least 2 children. Lived in Vignale Monferrato (Alessandria, Northern Italy). Fought in WWI, after it never moved from Vignale, in 1921 had his last child Secondo Mario (my grandfather), died in 1937. I don't know how were named his parents.

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Monday 01 December 25 08:32 GMT (UK)  »
I have a new question for you: another my grand-grandfather was in the U.S., too, for a short time.

His name was Vittorio Monzeglio, here is his record @ Ellis Island: https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAwNTY5MTAwMjg2Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7#passengerListAnchor

Maybe are you able to find him in any census? I know he was a vine grower/winemaker, so we suppose he was directed to California, but the address given on passenger list is of his friend Eugenio is NY. I have no data of the uncle Francesco, cause those archives are not digitalized, yet. Vittorio probably came back in 1914/1915, because he fought during WWI.

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Sunday 30 November 25 10:32 GMT (UK)  »
The arrival of Giuseppe and Nunzio in 1914 is very interesting, because I suppose now that: their mother, then widow since 1893, could join first Felicia and Vincenzo, and in 1914 be joined herself by other 2 sons.

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Sunday 30 November 25 10:22 GMT (UK)  »
I have solved the problem with James Russo    :)
“James” Russo was named Vincenzo Russo at birth.
Born 11 Oct 1887 in Ginosa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23P4-Y28?lang=en

His emigration was under his name Vincenzo Russo (age 18) on 27 July 1906 on ship ‘Lazio”. He was travelling to his brother-in-law, Vito Antonio in Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JF8W-9JM?lang=en

He married with the name Vincenzo Russo on 20 July 1911 in Brooklyn to Carmela Garone.
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8645616

It looks like he also changed his surname from Russo to RUSSEL. See his WW1 military card.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WGM3-NGZM?lang=en

By 1915 census, Kings New York, he is James Russel married to Carmela with 2 children.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9RL-LRN?id=P94W-7DK&lang=en

I think James separated from his wife, Carmela, in about 1919.
In 1920 census and in 1925 census she is still in NY with 5 Russo children (Nicholas Russo b. 1912 , Anthony Russo b.1914, Rose Russo b.1916, Nunzio Russo b.1918, Joseph Russo b.1919),   
.... meanwhile James is in Pennsylvania USA with another wife, called Rosa Alario (but I don’t think they ever married), and children.
It looks like he had another marriage in Pennsylvania in 1942 when he was much older.

James died in Delaware in 1964
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VSKS-7JX?lang=en

WW2 draft card
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQN4-1SN?lang=en

That's why I couldn't find him...

I checked all the documents about them, and the couple Nicola Russo - Rosa Galante had in total the following children:

Maria Russo - b. 04/10/1877 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2548041
Vincenzo Russo - b. 12/05/1882 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553007
Felicia Maria Russo - b. 07/11/1883 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553769
Anna Lucia Russo - b. 23/05/1885 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2554900
Vincenzo Russo - b. 11/10/1887 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2556690
Nunzio Russo - b. 25/03/1889 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2558290
Maria Rosaria Russo - b. 19/01/1891 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2559250
Giuseppe Russo - b. 10/02/1893 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2560963

A few time afterGiuseppe was born, Nicola died aged 41, the same year, 1893: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2538516

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
I am not sure if I found the correct immigration for James Russo. i am not certain what name to search with.  Am I right thinking that Giacomo is the Italian version of James?

Here is the immigration for Vit. Antonio Palmisano in 1906:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFFJ-14Z?lang=en

Yes, it is, Giacomo is in Italian. I have difficulties, too, anyway, to find him.

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 13:23 GMT (UK)  »
and about the brother-in-law, James (or Giacomo) could be Felicia's brother, I'll check it after. He came in 1906, I don't know whether with Vitantonio or not. But he was coming from Prata Sannita, so not the same place and even region the whole family Russo was living.

About this Frank, 99% it's Francesco Paolo, the age is good (27), the year of arrival too (1907).

I have just a difficulty to understand the professions. Only coal dealer (Vitantonio), I don't know what the others were doing.

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 13:15 GMT (UK)  »
Well, there was reason I couldn't connect this Felicia with the rest of the family: I was missing her dad, Nicola.

Practically, Pietro Russo the tanner (1835-1900+), father of Gerardo and Alessandro had not only 2 sisters (Nunzia 1838-1856 and Filomena 1848-1861), but a brother as well: Nicola b. +/- 1852 (I'll try maybe later to find the birth cerificate), died  03 Sept. 1893. Death certificate: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2538516
Nicola married Rosa Galante and in 1883 had Felicia Maria Russo, their daughter: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553769 .
As the certicate reports, Felicia get married with Vitantonio Palmisano on 19 Jan. 1901. So they were real cousins with Gerardo & Alessandro.

I'm sorry I doubted about you, you were right.

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Europe / Re: Alessandro Russo from Ginosa 1895-? barber in Brooklyn
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 10:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ricky

It looks as if your great-grandfather Gerardo Russo (b. 1875)  travelled to New York in 1907. Was he intending to emigrate, but then returned to Italy?
Is that his son Paolo Russo age 14 with him?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXX6-VYH?treeref=PWPN-S5X&lang=en
They were travelling to relatives (a cousin) called Vitantonio Palmisano at Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn


It looks as if Vito Antonio Palmisano was born in Puglia (Alberobello) about 1884.
He immigrated in 1905.

When Alessandro Russo emigrated to New York in 1911, he was also going to the same address - Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn.

Hi Neale,

about the traveller you're right, it's exactly him, Gerardo. The age, everything matches. But Francesco Paolo was his younger brother: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553324
In 1879 was born a first Francesco Paolo, but he died after 3 months (Gerardo, too, had an older brother born 1871 and died 1872). And even the occupation matches, their father Pietro was actually a tanner. About Vitantonio Palmisano, for sure he wasn't any cousin, I got 5 generations before them data, so I'm sure, he could be a friend, anyway. This family name is also enough common in that area.

About Francesco Paolo I don't have the exact death date, anyway surely he came back from the U.S.A, because he was Carabiniere in Italy, then a pleasant/gardener on a judge's estate; he remained a bachelor all his life. In the arrival document the age was 24, so would match exactly.

Gerardo definitely stayed in the US for a couple of years, because he married in 1903 Vita di Mira (Ginosa 1870-Ginosa 1954), already a widow since 1900 and with at least 3 children, after what they had: son Pietro (1903-1988, also a Carabiniere), Emilia (1905-1991), and Domenico (1913-2010), my grandfather. All of them married, had children, and to this days their descendents live, I met even a few of them, when I was still in Italy.

So, if Alessandro travelled to the US 1911, but not mentioning them is the documents, I think both of them should have already returned to Italy.

P.S. at the end of the page, you find even that wife and son of this Vitantonio were there to join him. They were from Ginosa, too, but even if we don't know the family name of this Felicia, there wasn't any Felicia in the family. So they maybe faked a relativeness, that wasn't real.

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