Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Ramalingam

Pages: [1]
1
Other Countries / Re: Family Lines of Robert Fischer (1841), Madurai, IN
« on: Monday 18 August 25 18:06 BST (UK)  »
I would like to add all your profiles for contributors, if interested, kindly send me a DM with personal message. Thanks Again and You are all Awesome. -Ramalingam KB

2
Other Countries / Re: Family Lines of Robert Fischer (1841), Madurai, IN
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 14:43 BST (UK)  »
Thank You, to Collective Genius of everyone !!
I have got most of my research queries Sorted.

Yet more open knots came in to the Puzzle.
This is a great progress to my research !!

That marks no biological heir for Robert Fischer, so far !!
I shall keep posted on any further research queries.

Sincerely,
Ram

3
Other Countries / Re: Family Lines of Robert Fischer (1841), Madurai, IN
« on: Friday 15 August 25 19:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Nell, Some clouds have been cleared on my theory M-1 (Planned Exile) and M-2 (Queen's Attrition). I was seeking for factual records that can give answer to the Question, Who was taking care of Mother and Daughter in the absence of Mr. Fischer hence come up with these probable theories with available records. It would be a genius idea to close these open knots of these two Mysteries.

Previously, I have had the same rare speculation that there would be a different Robert Fischer and Sybil Fischer, since church records cannot be falsified. However to support these narratives, have we got any B/M/D details of Maud Fuller, Robert Fischer (75) (New), Sybil [nee Hartley] Fischer (72)?

I have seen the Age of Sybil [Blanche Colebrooke Stewart] Fischer inconsistent in most Shipping records which do not match the Expected Birth date 1862.

Is there a possibility for Maud Fuller to be Isabelle's Sister, Mary Maud Fuller Drury (Wife of Herbert Henry Fuller)? Why would Zara carry the family Name "Maud" in some records since Isabelle Maud Fischer was First Wife and Sybil Fischer was Second Wife of Robert Fischer.

Nell, also can you get some family lineage after they (Sybil and Zara) are in England in 1921 or later.

Thanks for your information and time. :)

4
Other Countries / Re: Family Lines of Robert Fischer (1841), Madurai, IN
« on: Friday 15 August 25 00:18 BST (UK)  »
Thank You very much for the Collective Genius in bringing the most crucial aspects of Mr. and Mrs. Fischer. Your efforts are hugely respected and noted for the literature support for the family.

I have 5 more Mysteries around their life waiting to be unveiled kindly share your same enthusiasm with my research:

Mystery-1: Was there any conflict between Mr. Fischer and Queen?
I came across few case from Indian Records which clearly depicts the friction of relations with the Queen and Mr.Fischer and also Queen is closely related to Mr. James Samuel Drury, I would like to know the politics of those days that happened with these two. He was also seen to have multiple cases and allegations for standing with the People of Madurai against the Secretary of State.

Ref: Robert Fischer And Ors. vs The Secretary Of State For India In ... on 23 November, 1908 https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1600887/
Ref: Queen Empress vs R. Fischer on 3 March, 1891 https://indiankanoon.org/doc/881034/


Mystery-2: Was there any threats to his life and so he has to fake his own death?
Church records says he was dead just a month after his famous case with one landlord/businessman by 1908.
Still I find him in a Ship Journey with Sybil Fischer in 1929 from UK to US.
Why should this man fake his death and leave the business, assets and family ownership to his beloved wife?

Ref: Burial Records at St. Mathias, Madura, 1908 (In Tree)
Ref: US Immigration Records in Sep, 12, 1929, Ship S.S. Samaria, from Liver Pool to New York.


Mystery-3: What were his activities (Political, Financial, Social) from 1908 - 1929 (Last Active)? When and Where is his real death US / UK/ IN?
If he was in exile what were his ambitions and motivations during the tenure. I see an active American Madura Mission - Report from 1900 to 1930 for development and restructuring of Madurai City since 1834. I am sure Fischer was subtly involved in it, taking his past interests in Practicing Law into account.

Ref: American Madura Mission - Reports from 1900 to 1930 (PDFs)

Mystery-4: Is Sybel related to Isabelle somehow? Why should she take good care of Zara Maud Fischer after demised of Mrs.Fischer in 1884. If Zara was born in 1902 how she took the family Name 'Maud" ? Were there any other Children for Mr. Fischer? Why the little Zara and Sybil have to travel between US and UK time on time? Was there a Studies or Marriage Proposal going on?
If yes was that groom within Fischer or Sybel or Isabelle or Fuller Family? And this question can lead to finiding the present lineage of Zara Fischer.

Ref: All Immigration records To and From : India, UK, US I got Few References but mostly missing pieces.

Mystery-5:How and Where was his Schooling, Law Education and Was he attached to any Family Members Post WW1? If So are there any descendants connected to them?

This details are important because the Robert Fischer seems to have a completely different family tree from Sybil's and Isabelle's Tree. What was his correct Family and Professional Background.

PS: Robert Fischer made his Bachelor Barrister at Law School of St Michael, Paddington, UK. NO References I have got there.

Please feel free to connect with me for any records or new informations you have. Due to Size Limitation I cannot put all of those work in the single thread.
I am sure Mr and Mrs. Fischer deserves the recognition for their incredible life they have lived. I hae a duty to share the same with their today Family. These Information would be carefully documented in a Book with the Madurai City for our future.

Thanks,
Ramalingam KB

5
Other Countries / Re: Family Lines of Robert Fischer (1841), Madurai, IN
« on: Thursday 14 August 25 15:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your insights Molly, Sharing some facts relating to your pointers:

I shall provide you the marriage details of both the Sybel and Isabelle that is perturbing me.

Robert Fischer (1) Sept qtr 1884 Wandsworth RD Ref 1d 1044
Other names on the same page:
Caroline Amelia Place, Frederick Charles Tatham, Harriett Fells, Robert Fischer, Sybil Blanche C Stewart


Robert Fischer (2) registered June qtr 1882 Kensington RD
Ref 1a p 236   
Names with the same reference : Henry Crewe, Isabella Maud Drury, Marcella Archer, Robert Fischer


P.S:
1. I have a doubt that Sybil changed her Surname to 'FISCHER'

2.I also have a doubt that these names could have anglicized by England conventions.
Zara - Sarah; Sybil - Isabelle; Fischer - Fisher; and so on.

Pain part of the conversation is when brides change their Family Names it leads to multiple persons on record.


All I know is that there are three James Samuel Drury - I, II, and III all from New Zealand Origin. As per Indian Records and Immigrant Records Sybil Fischer is also from New Zealand.

So Either we are dealing with same person with multiple names (SF and IMD) or two couple with rare coincidence (RF-SF and/or  RF-IMD). As per Indian Courts Record, After Robert Fischer's death his will provided his assets to his sister's son Robert Foulkes and Wife Sybil Fischer. I must be missing some important event of history that can answer this puzzle.

Citation: https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1000226/
" Under the said will, Fischer bequeathed a life interest in certain properties to his wife Sybil Fisher and the remainder over to Robert Foulkes, one of the executors under the will."


Thanks for your time and patience.
Ram

6
Other Countries / Family Lines of Robert Fischer (1841), Madurai, IN
« on: Thursday 14 August 25 11:23 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for family lines of Esq. Robert Fischer (1841), s/o George Frederick Fischer II (Zemindar of Salem), who was a Law Barrister, Fundraiser, Entrepreneur and Merchant in Madura City of British Colonial India. A road was named after him as Robert Fischer Road in Present day Madurai City. He was fondly called as "Fischer Durai" by local tamils in late 1800s which shows the respect for him and his family. He lived his entire life for development of Madurai City and its People.

I am also looking for information on whereabouts and howabouts of Sybil (Sybel) Fischer (New Zealand) (W) and Zara Fischer (Madurai, India) (D), Who left India and lived in UK and US, time to time.

Anyone who knows their current descendants or any other Spouses or Children for this Robert Fischer, Kindly let me know.

I am having limited information on them, but cannot have complete information of their life after 1908.

For your reference I have added some trees in the chat:

Robert Fischer:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/G4CB-DY1
or
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/L4MT-7F7

Sybel Fischer:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/GJ5M-YQ2

Isabella Maud Drury:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/L4MT-3NR

Zara (Maud) Fischer
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/GJ59-451

I have two doubts with the above provided trees:
1. Whether the two Robert Fischer given above are same person or different person?
2. If same person, Did he had two wives or both are two names of a same person?

Is there any other records available in US or UK?

The person of inquiry in New York, US and Woking, UK is Miss. Zara Fischer (Indian), Daughter of Robert Fischer (Indian) and Sybel Fischer (New Zealand). She was 18 as on Jan, 1920, as per fourteenth census of the United States 1920 Population, in NYC. She immigrated from UK into US by 1915, 1919, 1920.

UK Details Available:
First Name: Zara Maud
Last Name: Fischer / Fisher
Born: 1902, Madura, Colonial India
Address: Care of Miss. Maud Fuller, Maybury house, Woking, UK.
Height: 5' 6"

US Details Available:
Place of Abode: Eighth Avenue,
House No.: 954,
No. Of. Dwelling.: 58,
No. Of Family in Order: 344.
No school éducation in US.

We need the détails of their descendants and Whereabouts who live in our times to connect.

Thanks for your support in helping this,
Ram


Moderator comment: edited to remove phone number and e-mail address.  RootsChat discourages the posting of such personal information to prevent spamming and other abuse.  Please use the personal message system to exchange such information.  Thank you.

7
London and Middlesex / Re: Dr James Samuel Drury b1822-1865
« on: Wednesday 13 August 25 17:10 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Karenlee!

I can't find Isabella in the 1891 census to confirm which of the 2 gentlemen she married!

Dear Garrad,

I am looking for the other half of the data (from India) that was compliment to the half you were looking for (from UK).
I suspect that UK people are good at Anglicizing Names before entering into the Country.

Zara - Sarah
Sybil - Isabelle
Fischer - Fisher

and so on...

Ramalingam KB

8
London and Middlesex / Re: Dr James Samuel Drury b1822-1865
« on: Wednesday 13 August 25 16:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello Everyone,

I need lots of information on immediate bloodlines or descendents or families related to Robert Fischer (IN), Sybil Fischer (NZ), Zara Maud Fischer (Madurai, IN), Miss Maud Fuller (UK), based out in Woking, UK. I am also looking for their closed relations so that I am have to connect some special dots for you. Kindly message or email me.

I have lots of questions on what happened to Zara.F and whom she married to after WW1. I have some records that might really deny some evidences. please connect me on any information pertaining to this. Your initiative is highly respected.

Information I have got so far:

"The person of inquiry is Miss. Zara Fischer (Indian), Daughter of Robert Fischer (Indian) and Sybel Fischer (New Zealand). She was 18 as on Jan, 1920, as per fourteenth census of the United States 1920 Population, in NYC. She immigrated from UK into US by 1915, 1919, 1920."

"UK Details Available:
First Name: Zara Maud
Last Name: Fischer / Fisher
Born: 1902, Madura, Colonial India
Height: 5' 6"
Address: Care of Miss. Maud Fuller, Maybury house, Woking, UK."

"US Details Available:
Place of Abode: Eighth Avenue,
House No.: 954,
No. Of. Dwelling.: 58,
No. Of Family in Order: 344.
No school éducation in US."

Pages: [1]