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Excellent, thank you once again Bookbox. No further appearances came up through FamilySearch's new txt search but I know that's far from perfect, so I'll trawl through following sessions.

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Thanks HD. Grazier would certainly accord with the occupations of the other two butchers mentioned.

A WK, butcher was made free of the City in 1573. His father, also WK, was a Cordwainer.

Another WK, taylor was abled by the Merchant Taylor's Company in 1585.

While almost certainly related to some degree, it has not been possible (yet?) to identify the nature of the relationship.

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Please can someone help with the two entries relating to William Kitchingman in the following link (you would need to sign in to familysearch):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS69-39X6-V?view=fullText&keywords=Kitchingman&lang=en&groupId=

The first reference describes WK as a yeoman but I can't make out the word after the 20s recognisance - "greas***"?

The surrounding pages are in English, so I can see that the boilerplate includes little or nothing of interest. Is this also the case with the entries regarding WK?

Thank you for your help.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Wakefield Quarter Sessions translation
« on: Monday 18 August 25 15:53 BST (UK)  »
Thank you once again Bookbox.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Wakefield Quarter Sessions translation
« on: Monday 18 August 25 13:02 BST (UK)  »
Somewhat bizarrely, the Court Order microfilm in the WYAS is in the East Sussex Record Office (found through searching for "Hipperholme" in familysearch's excellent Full-Text Search experiment).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGG-B31W-R?view=fullText&keywords=Hipperholme%2CPoor%2Cpoor&lang=en&groupId=

Confirms it is a case of sending the poor back whence they came, rather than anything personal against Bryan. I am now disappointed!

Transcript:
Leeds13 July 1704
Upon an appeal against an order made by two of her Majesty's Justices of the Peace for said Riding for the removing of Isaac Walton with his wife or children from Norland To Hipperholme cum Brighouse ┃ It is ordered that the said Order be discharged & that the Overseers of the Poor of Norland aforesaid do upon sight hereof pay to the Overseers of the poor of Hipperholme cum Brighouse aforesaidd the sum of forty pounds ten Shillings for such a vexatious removal pursuant to the act of Parliament in that case made

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Wakefield Quarter Sessions translation
« on: Monday 18 August 25 12:10 BST (UK)  »

Yes, Hipperholme of course.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Wakefield Quarter Sessions translation
« on: Monday 18 August 25 11:03 BST (UK)  »
Interesting suggestions, Bookbox. Perhaps I have jumped to conclusions based on Bryan being overseer of the poor.

There is something odd about the dates.

The page for the Session is headed 11 January 1704 and Bryan apparently became overseer for Norland on 1 January. Yet the judgement at the Leeds session was "of 13 July last past". Had he inherited the obligation from a previous overseer for Norland or was this due on his own account?

I haven't been able to find a corresponding entry relating to Kitchingman/Norham for the Leeds Quarter session.

Bryan had moved around within the Halifax townships. In 1688, he resided in Skircoat, one of four yeoman standing bond for a poor family moving to Halifax. In 1699, he was assessed on land in Ovenden valued at £30. He died in Sowerby in 1728.

If he happened to have a bastard son called George, you have would have made me immensely happy!







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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Wakefield Quarter Sessions translation
« on: Monday 18 August 25 09:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both very much for your help with this.

So, it appears to be a familiar story of towns/parishes attempting to overload the burden of supporting the poor onto someone else?

Bryan was one of three brothers who migrated to Halifax from Thirkleby in the North Riding. He has left a relatively sparse document trail, so every little helps.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Barnburgh - James Kitchingman married 1724
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 14:09 BST (UK)  »
I appreciate that this is a rather old thread but I have a suggestion about James Kitchingman married 1724.

By way of background, I have spent a lot of time over the last few years researching the Kitchingman family. I have not been able to connect the following three branches.

Some from the branch around Carlton Husthwaite in the North Riding, migrated to Leeds, Calderdale and Pontefract during the C17 and were mainly involved in various aspects of the wool trade. Later, other family members migrated to Whitby and Ripon.

A second branch was from around Shadwell near Leeds. At the end of the C16 some of them migrated to Norwich and East Anglia.

A third branch, who anachronistically I call the South Yorkshire branch, were from around Wath upon Dearne from the early C17. this is about 8 miles from Barnburgh/Barnborough.

According to the parish register,  James Kitchingman son of John, of Masbrough, was baptised at Rotherham on 4 April 1698. This would make him the right sort of age for marriage in 1724 and is only about 10 miles from Barburgh.

I hope this helps. If you are interested, I have started a blog recounting some of the more interesting stories about the Kitchingmans at www.earlymodernkinship.com

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