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BumbleB
Thanks for your reply and information I also found for Thomas Herbert and Lucy Alexander a marriage bond record in St Michael Le Belfrey Church  York in that church's parish register then a Marriage in Knightsbridge chapel  London

For Lucy the daughter of Thomas Herbert and Lucy Herbert née Alexander no Baptism but a marriage in St Margarets Church to John Frost her first marriage.  Then a second marriage for Lucy Herbert to William Herbert in St Michael Le Belfrey Church York.

I think William Herbert was from St Pierre in Caldicott Monmouthshire.

William and Lucy's children were baptised in St Clement Danes Church London I descend from there son Vere Herbert baptised 1674 a twin to William Herbert baptised 1674.

Thanks
Elizlloyd.

FindMyPast have 4 transcriptions of this marriage information - Britain Marriage Licences - Boyd's Marriages - 2 instances in British Marriage Licences giving date of birth as 1608.

Bookbox

Hello and thank you for your reply,  I found the marriage record sourced from Findmypast .

Thanks
Elizlloyd

I can't see any parish records for this chapel before 1658. There is a published transcript on Ancestry ...
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/30224/

Can you please say where your information regarding the 1632 marriage comes from?

The original records for this chapel that do survive are at Westminster Archives, catalogued under Holy Trinity, Knightsbridge.
https://archives.westminster.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=HTK

trish1120

Thank you for your reply and for finding Lucy's siblings which I have have also seen in St Margarets Church Parish Register. Westminster.   Yes teretia could be the same person as Lucy probably why there is no Baptism record for Lucy.
 I have seen that Thomas Herbert' with his wife Lucy  and children were living with her parents Walter Alexander and his wife and there children Lucy's siblings in York Street Westminster in 1642.

Thank you also for mentioning you looked on Freereg and found the 5 children of Lucy Herbert and William Herbert these 5 children including twins William and Vere were all baptised in St Clement Danes Church. I descend from Vere Herbert he married Margaret Cudmore in St Margarets Church, Templeton Devon. Then I found Vere and Margaret again living in Caldicot Court House which is still there and Vere was Sherriff of Caldicot 1707  he is also noted in documents to do with his son William Herbert marriage to Winifred Scudamore daughter of Henry Scudamore of Pembridge Castle Herefordshire. Vere Herbert passed away and  is named again to do with his property and lands in Caldicot in 1727 being passes to son William Herbert and shared between his sister Elizabeth who I descend from and brother Francis.

Lucy married William at St Michael Le Belfrey then must have moved to London as there children were baptised in St Clement Danes Church.  Also I have found a burial for a Lucy Herbert 29 August 1739 in St Clement Danes Church this Lucy Herbert could be the daughter of Thomas Herbert and Lucy Herbert née Alexander and the wife of William Herbert and mother to 7 children baptised at St Clement Danes Church including the twins Vere Herbert bapt 1674 and William Herbert.
This all seems to fit into place this information and feels correct

Lovely to know Teretia is Lucy probably named after somewhere in Thomas travels in persia.

Thanks for all your help amazing to piece all this together.

Thanks
Elizlloyd

I cant look at original image but this stuck out to me on FreeREG
Bapts;

St Margaret, Westminster;
TERETIA Harbart 12 Jun 1634*********

Other siblings;
PHILLIP Harbart 17 Mar 1632/3 note Fn: See his brother's chr 19 Mar 1639,  thereto; d young
ELIZABETH Harbert 25 Aug 1635
HENRYE Harbert 19 Mar 1638/9
All have Father as Thomas
To Thomas and Lucy/e
ANNE Herbert 12 Jun 1640 -- see note below
ALEXANDER Herbert 13 Dec 1641
MONTGOMERY Herbert 24 Jan 1642/3
THOMAS Harbart 09 Jul 1644 Father Thomas noted only
WILLIAM Herbert 08 Apr 1649 to Thomas/Lucy


You like have seen note on Henrys bapt;
S of Sir Thomas (sir added in later hand) 2nd but only surv s of Sir Thomas Herbert, of Tinterne, co. Monmouth, 1st bart (author, traveller and groom of the bedchamber to Charles I) by Lucia (1st wife) dau of Sir William Alexander, gentleman usher to the king; m 1stly july 1659 Anne, dau of Sir Thomas Harrison, of Copgrave, co York, who d s p July 1670; m 2ndly 28/3/1671 Anne, 2nd dau of Sir George Vane of Long Newton, knt; succ his father as 2nd baronet 1/3/1682; bur at Wath

On Annes bapt;
D of Thomas Herbert esq. See her brother's C 19/3/1639 and note theretp; bur at St Crux, Fossgate, York, 25/3/16

My point is could Teretia be Lucy?

Trish

hanes teulu

Thanks and yes I have seen it before but I could hardly read the first page the year 1788  coincides with when Vere Smith passed away in 1788, and the other pages were an inventory of his goods he owned and not sure what the Bond is about really. I would welcome help clarifying what the Bond is about would be good and why it was in his name.

Thanks
Elizlloyd

Had you spotted this in a previous thread?
https://viewer.library.wales/936155#?xywh=648%2C-395%2C1750%2C950&cv=

hanes teulu
Thank you for your reply and for your attachment that is good to know he was still at Claypits Farm in 1780 in your post and no I haven't found anything more to do with Caldicot Court, but will look into finding more information on it.

Thanks
Elizlloyd

Vere still at Claypits - Gloucester Journal, 7 Feb 1780

P.S. - did you find out anymore about Caldicot Court?