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Carlow / Re: Cloneighgal ?
« on: Wednesday 16 July 25 11:58 BST (UK)  »
Patrick Clynch and Mary Byrne married and gave birth to at least five children. Four of them emigrated to Iowa, USA in 1850's. One son, John, had engraved on his headstone, "born Parish of Cloneighgal County Carlow Ireland May 24 1823. He is the only family member who left a lasting link to his home place. This is an unusual spelling, CLONEIGHGAL; any thoughts on this spelling of what I perceive to be current parish of Clonegal. John's brother, William, baptism (1820) is found in the Bagenalstown records. The family must have moved about.

Oh, I just love how that headstone gives such a rich clue. Yes, “Cloneighgal” is definitely an old or phonetic misspelling of Clonegal — the parish on the Carlow-Wexford border. It wasn’t unusual for names to get spelled how they sounded, especially by American stonecutters unfamiliar with Irish geography.
The research confirms William was baptized in 1820 in Dunleckny (Bagenalstown), and John was born 1823 near Clonegal, though his baptism’s missing since Clonegal registers didn’t begin until 1833. That unusual spelling is actually a little genealogical gem — one of those lovely quirks that helps more than it hinders!

URL for reference:

Clonegal parish registers: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0700

YourRoots County Carlow search:
https://yourroots.com/search-record/state-province-county

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Inverness / Re: Alexander FRASER 1795-??
« on: Wednesday 09 July 25 09:05 BST (UK)  »
You’re absolutely right to question the 1887 death date. Based on ScotlandsPeople records and census evidence, Alexander Fraser (sawyer) definitely died before 1859. His son Donald’s 1859 marriage record lists Alexander as deceased, and wife Isabella is listed as his widow by 1873. Most likely death year is ca. 1837 — the headstone probably reads “1837,” not “1887” (easy misread!). Also confirmed: Richard McBean Fraser is Alexander’s grandson through Donald Fraser and Catherine Watson.

You can check original records here:
ScotlandsPeople: https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
FindAGrave memorial (Richard): https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147698707
Geneanet family tree: https://gw.geneanet.org/jmackenzie?m=N&v=FRASER
YourRoots – Fraser family search: https://yourroots.com/search-record/surname

Alexander FRASER married Isabella FRASER at Kirkhill on 15 Jul 1818.

There is a gravestone in the Kilchuiman Burial Ground near Fort Augustus which is supposed to be him. Has him as a sawyer.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/182156202/alexander-fraser

Death year looks like 1887, which has been repeated on lots of trees on Ancestry. No death for him on ScotlandsPeople in 1887. I believe it could be 1837.

When his son Donald FRASER married Catherine WATSON in 1859, the certificate has Alexander as a sawyer and deceased.

When his wife Isabella died in 1873, she was the widow of Alexander FRASER, Sawyer. Her death date on the headstone checks out. Died in Bunoich.

So no way he died in 1887. Can anyone assist in tracking down the right Alexander please.

Interested because of Richard McBean FRASER 1876-1964, on the other headstone in the photo for Alexander. There is supposed to be some connection with him and our FRASER family, who were from Bunoich, Fort Augustus and Invermoriston. Trying to find if this is true or just another family story.

Richard is a grandson of Alexander and Isabella, and son of Donald FRASER and Catherine WATSON.

Thanks
Ian C

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New Zealand / Re: Ship:Lyttleton
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 01:42 BST (UK)  »
The Lyttelton was owned by Shaw, Savill & Albion and did indeed sink off Timaru in 1886. The official crew list for that final voyage (1886) is very likely held at The National Archives (UK) under the BT 99 series, searchable by the official number 78620. Sadly, the Maritime History Archive in Canada doesn’t have the 1886 list. You might also check FamilySearch for passenger names around June 1886, and PapersPast has local news coverage that mentions some crew.

FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
UK National Archives: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Timaru Herald 1886 article: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THD18860623.2.23
MHA (Canada): https://mha.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=78620
YourRoots: https://yourroots.com/search-record/country

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Australia / Re: john james tickell b 1849
« on: Thursday 26 June 25 03:38 BST (UK)  »
Here's what I could confirm about John James Tickell and Jessie Melvin: John was born 25 Nov 1849 on Spring Street, Melbourne, to John and Isabella Tickell. He married Jessie Melvin in 1871 in Collingwood (Reg. No. 00996). No children were found in Victoria’s birth records, and neither John nor Jessie has a confirmed death record in the state—suggesting they may have moved interstate (e.g., WA) or to New Zealand. No remarriage record found for Jessie either.

You can check:
WA BDM: https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-justice/online-index-search-tool
NZ BDM: https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz
Tickell one-name site: https://tickle.one-name.net/tng/getperson.php?personID=I3031&tree=ENG
YourRoots Australia: https://yourroots.com/search-record/country/australia
Trove: https://trove.nla.gov.au

John James Tickell b 25 nov 1849  Spring Street Melbourne Victoria Australia son of John and Isabella i think he married Jessie Melvin 1871 victoria thats all i know not sure if he had children when he died or what happened to his wife Jessie any help appreciated

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Australia / Re: Passenger details of OLIVER family arr Sydney Aug 1886
« on: Thursday 19 June 25 09:02 BST (UK)  »
Based on solid records, it turns out Janet didn’t remarry after 1892. That early death date was a red herring—Robert Sr. lived until about 1928, and Janet stayed his wife until her death in 1933. She’s buried under the name “Janet Roberts Henderson” in Omaha. So Robert Jr. kept the Henderson surname, which helps! You’ll find him born in 1892 in Cumbernauld, moved with the family to Illinois, then Nebraska, and buried in the same cemetery as his mom: Westlawn-Hillcrest in Omaha.

FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L1VR-VJH

Find a Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/105765290/robert-henderson

YourRoots: https://yourroots.com/search-record/state-province-county

Still does not find Robert jnr but his father died 1892. Still a chance Janet remarried.

SS

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Monmouthshire / Re: Jim Brewer
« on: Friday 13 June 25 02:36 BST (UK)  »
Jim Brewer lived quite the life—from miner to Spanish Civil War vet, teacher, and councillor. Born 7 April 1913 in Rhymney, he later taught at Rhymney Comprehensive School and served as a local councillor. He passed in 1993 in Pontypool. You’ll find his birth and death in the England & Wales indexes. Try the 1921 Census for family details and check with Gwent Archives for school or council records. FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org) and YourRoots (https://yourroots.com) are great places to search for records and build his family tree. Happy digging—and let us know what you uncover!

Seeking information on James (Jim) Brewer, formerly of Rhymney and Abertysswg, particularly during his time as a school teacher at Rhymney Comprehensive School and local Councillor. 

 

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Looks like you’re on the right track with Thomas Hill. There’s no Thomas or Robert Hill in Shadwell in 1841, but a strong lead points to Thomas as a “15”-year-old inmate in the Whitechapel Union Workhouse – remember ages were rounded down, so that could fit an 18-year-old. Also, his family likely lived in Ratcliff (Stepney), not Shadwell proper. No confirmed Robert Hill (~1800) was found in Shadwell in 1841 or 1851 either, but broader searches in Stepney, Limehouse, or Whitechapel might help. You might also try the Tasmanian convict records for more clues on Robert’s occupation or address.

FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org
Tasmanian Names Index: https://stors.tas.gov.au

Hi, would it be possible to find a Thomas HILL born 1822 in the 1841 census for  Shadwell?
Thomas was convicted in 1845 and sentenced to 7 years' transportation. He listed Shadwell as his native place. His occupation was a Painters labourer.
He stated he had an uncle, Robert HILL, at his native place. Would it also be possible to find Robert HILL born abt 1800? In both the 1841 and 1851 censuses, please
Any assistance would be most appreciated
Rod Hill
Tasmania AUS

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1901 Census Mary Ellen Nolan Request
« on: Friday 30 May 25 06:24 BST (UK)  »
Based on your marriage cert details, it sounds like you’ve definitely found the right Mary Ellen. The address at 2 Eccles New Rd links beautifully with the 1901 census entry for “Nellie” Nolan, barmaid, born Chester 1878. As for Thomas, the mystery of his father’s name makes more sense now — turns out Thomas was likely born a Raby, son of Isaac Raby and Frances Simmonds, but later used his mother’s surname. That’s why the marriage cert lists “? Simmonds (deceased)” as his father. Fascinating stuff! You might try ordering the full marriage cert (Salford Q3 1902, vol 8d p.294) to confirm every detail.
FreeBMD: http://www.freebmd.org.uk

I remembered that I do have the marriage certificate and Mary Ellen is living at 2 Eccles New Road, Salford. Her Father is listed as Michael Nolan ‘Builder and Contractor’.

There’s no profession listed for Nellie. Thomas is listed as ‘fishmongers clerk’.

Interestingly, Thomas lists his Father as ? Illegible ? Simmonds (deceased) but his Father’s surname was actually “Raby”.

Thank you everyone for your help finding her!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Margaret Rachel Bailey-Guernsey
« on: Thursday 22 May 25 09:35 BST (UK)  »
The 1836 baptism record for Marguerite Rachel Bailey, daughter of Thomas Bailey and Marguerite Le Page, is a strong match for your Margaret. It was very common for Guernsey natives to anglicize names like Marguerite to Margaret when moving to mainland Britain. Your great x4 grandmother consistently used "Margaret" in later life, which matches that pattern exactly. The 1881 census even lists her mother (Marguerite Le Page) as “Margaret Bailey” living with her in Glasgow – tying three generations together.

Good Evening everyone,

I have been looking into my Fathers side of the family, and digging deeper into the family based in Guernsey, My Great x4 Grandmother (Margaret Rachel Bailey/Taverner was born in Guernsey, but spent the majority of her life on the mainland of The UK, the one piece of information I struggled to find was her birth record, I have her marriage record to my Great x4 Grandfather, and her Death certificate, where she is always listed as Margaret, on her Death certificate her parents are listed as James Bailey and Margaret Lapage/Lepage, and that in 1904 she was 67 years old, making her birth either 1836 or 1837, I am aware that her Fathers name was actually Thomas Bailey, as stated on her two marriage records (she remarried after my Great x4 Grandfather passed) but today I came across a Baptism on the Island of Guernsey, in 1836, for a Marguerite Rachel Bailey to a Thomas Bailey and Marguerite le page, this is almost certainly in my mind my Great x4 Grandmother, but I was wondering, would she have Anglicised her first name? as pretty much everything checks out apart from the first name (even the middle name)

Kind regards,
Jake

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