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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Children of Thomas Walton and Sarah Blenkarn
« on: Yesterday at 18:04 »
Wow, I got on. I've been getting connection timed out errors for the last week and a half.

Thank you for your posts everybody, I think that is the right Sarah and I'll have a look at the censuses for Matthew.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Children of Thomas Walton and Sarah Blenkarn
« on: Thursday 05 March 26 21:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie17 on Thursday 05 March 26 21:27 GMT (UK)
There is a marriage for Sarah Ann Walton  3 September 1843 Non Conformist Records Oxford Place Chapel Leeds
Her father was Thomas Walton ( gardener )
She married a John Robinson
Their first son was born 1844 Walton Robinson Leeds they went on to have more family
On the census records Sarah Ann Robinson gives her birth as 1823 Hunslet Yorkshire
So maybe a possibility

Rosie

If her father is a gardener I'd say that's a very good possibility, because that is what Thomas apprenticed as, and the quaker records always refer to him as one even though he'd been keeping a pub for years, thank you. I'll look at it tomorrow, I'm feeling a bit done in tonight.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Children of Thomas Walton and Sarah Blenkarn
« on: Thursday 05 March 26 20:45 GMT (UK)  »
It also looks like John Edwin is the son of Edwin Smith and Ruth Walton. (Edit, Hannah looks to be his sister, I've just found them on 1861)

According to Find a Grave Squire is married when he dies but I'm not finding Jane buried in Hunslet Cemetery.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Children of Thomas Walton and Sarah Blenkarn
« on: Thursday 05 March 26 19:04 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Thursday 05 March 26 16:24 GMT (UK)
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she isn't with Squire on the 1851 census, he appears to be with his parents but he does state married.

Can you find births of any children for them?

Squire dies in August1857, the GRO index has a lot of Smiths with maiden name Walton but there is a John Edwin born December Quarter 1851 Hunslet,  Hannah born in March Quarter 1854 in Leeds, and a John Walton Smith born September Quarter 1858 Leeds who would be just possible.

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Family History Beginners Board / Children of Thomas Walton and Sarah Blenkarn
« on: Thursday 05 March 26 13:55 GMT (UK)  »
I'm really struggling with tracing some of the children of my 4xs Great Grandparents, Thomas Walton and Sarah Blenkarn and wondered if anybody here might be able to help with ideas.

Thomas was born in 1793 in Carlton in Craven to quakers James Walton and Julian Watson, he was disowned in 1815 when he married Sarah Blenkarn at Saint Oswald's Fulford, she was the daughter of Matthew Blenkarn and Mary Fisher who lived on Walmgate in York. Thomas and Sarah moved to Hunslet where they ran the Garden Gate/Gardener's Arms in Hunslet (Thomas was apprenticed as a Gardener) and their children are registered in Brighouse Quaker Monthly Meeting with parents not in membership. Thomas dies in 1830 and is buried in Leeds Quaker burial ground, Sarah remarries Matthew Kearsley in 1832 and dies in March 1841, Matthew having already died in 1838.

Their children are:
   1. James born Hunslet 30 April 1816,  he was an excise officer and marries Sarah Smith and then Jane McKellar in Glasgow and dies in Ripon in 1885, I'm good on him.
   2. Mary born Hunslet 29 January 1816
   3. Matthew born Hunslet 15 June 1819
   4. Thomas born Hunslet 25 March 1821 died there 29 September 1822
   5. Sarah Ann born Hunslet 10 March 1823
   6. Thomas born Hunslet 16 August 1825. This is my 3xs great grandfather, he marries Elizabeth McGregor at Holy Trinity Rothwell in 1845 and dies at Hunslet in 1900
   7. Jane born Hunslet 27 February 1828, she marries Squire Smith, a fishmonger son of Mark Smith also a fishmonger, at Hunslet on 8 January 1850 and I can't find her after that, she isn't with Squire on the 1851 census, he appears to be with his parents but he does state married.

Sorry for the wall of information, I'm trying to give everything I have in the hopes it might help. The children I can't trace are Mary, Matthew, Sarah Ann and Jane after her marriage (well technically before as well, I don't have her on on the 1841 census).

If anybody has any ideas that would be great because this family is driving me crazy, I've tried several times to find them now and just keep drawing a blank.

(Also if this is posted in the wrong place can somebody please move it)


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Armed Forces / Re: 17th Lancers 1894-1902
« on: Thursday 04 December 25 18:12 GMT (UK)  »
That's interesting thank you. I'm glad you mentioned that he forfeited his good conduct pay I was wondering what PGC pay was. I've just noticed right at the front he signed on for 7 years with the colours and 5 with the reserve so I guess the Boer War extended his service with the colours and he got transferred to the Reserve as soon as possible for what was left of those 5 years.

I can't find an obvious reason for his return home in 1900, nothing like his parents or one of his children dying (although I don't actually know when either of his parents did die), although that doesn't exclude sickness, but he definitely seems to have met with Florence, because their daughter Evelyn was born in York on 17 May 1901.

I think that answers my main questions at the moment, I feel I have a rough understanding of what he was doing during his service now. Thank you for your help. I dare say I'll be back on this board soon though, I've got Edward's WW1 record to get through although you did explain some of that already, then it looks like at least 2 of his sons were in the RAF in the 1930s and into WW2, so I'll need to see what I can work out for them. Also I do have some collateral family who were in the army and I remembered after making my last post that my great grandfather James Henry Widdop was also briefly in the Army, between leaving his wife and going back to her, I never think of him as having been a soldier though.


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Armed Forces / Re: 17th Lancers 1894-1902
« on: Thursday 04 December 25 16:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much Andy. I see Ballincollig is in Cork so I guess Harold Clifford found it easier to give Cork for his birth place and I guess that that was somewhere Florence could go with him, like she later went with him to Romsey, since Douglas Edward and my grandmother Majorie Hilda are born there in 1916 and 1919. I haven't managed to work through his WW1 service record yet so the information you mention about that is very interesting.

Do you have any ideas why he would have been at Fulford Barracks when he marries in April 1897 when it seems the unit was in Leeds, or why he would have come back to England during the middle of the Boer War (and I need to go reread that, I've just realised that period is not 235 days), or why he would have come home early to be discharged?

I'm sorry if these seem like silly questions but Edward is my only direct ancestor to have been in the military, so it's a whole new area to me.

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Armed Forces / 17th Lancers 1894-1902
« on: Thursday 04 December 25 13:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I hope I gave this the right name, I wasn't sure what to use. My great grandfather Edward Nicklin served in this unit during the above period but all I can tell from his service record is that he was in the Boer War, and I was wondering how to find information on what he might have been doing the rest of the time. (I've found a little bit of information about what the 17th Lancers did during the Boer War on www.angloboerwar.com but if anybody knows where to find any more I won't say no)

The dates in his record are:
Transferred to the 17th Lancers from the 2nd Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment 1 Sep 1894 (he was originally attested 10 October 1893) and he was transferred to the Army Reserve on demobilisation on 24 December 1902 (discharged on 9 October 1905)

His service is listed as
Home               10 Oct 1893 – 14 Feb 1900 (6 years 128 days)
South Africa   15 Feb 1900 – 10 Sep 1900 (146 days)
Home           11 Sep 1900 – 2 March 1901 (235 days)
South Africa   3 March 1901 - 26 Aug 1902 (1 year 177 days)
Home           17 Aug 1902 – 9 Oct 1905 (3 years 44 days)

I do know that he was in Fulford Barracks in York in 1897 because he marries at Fulford on 12 April 1897, also his son Harold Clifford Nicklin is born in 1900 in Cork, Ireland. His other children born whilst he's in the army are born at York or at Tutbury, where he is from, so I'm guessing his wife Florence was staying with either her family or his and not with him when they were born.

Also he has the following medals listed
Queens SA medal with clasp
Cape colony and O F State
Kings medal with clasp
S A 1901
S A 1902
As far as I can tell they just mean he served in South Africa for at least 18 months, was there in 1901 and 1902 and served in the Cape of Good Hope and Orange Free State but not in any specific actions.

Any help gratefully received, military history is an area I really don't know about.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Are Yorkshire Wills online anywhere ?
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 23:51 GMT (UK)  »
If you can get to York to visit the Borthwick, then you can view all of the Probate Books and download copies of any wills you want to a USB stick free of charge.

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