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Is anyone able to help im really stuck as to the Thompson line on my family tree and stuck at my 2nd great grandparents and i know some of you are absolute amazing at this whereas i feel like i've run out of avenues!

I dont have anything on James from before coming to canada in i believe 1882 and cannot find anything on his parents. Ann help would be massively appreciated as without knowing anything on his parents im stuck :(

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/invite-ui/accept?token=d-ofiqRYgRMIfRj0g7-ZqfbrYpHg9y0Bbt3cb1ObP8U=

James Thompson (great grandfather ) parents are Harry or Henry  Thompson (2nd Great Grandfather) and Mary Ann Lawson (2nd great Grandmother) Harry Thompson (Great Great Grandad) was born in Scotland  (DOB unknown and no further details)

According to James records his mother is called Mary Ann Lawson (Great Great Grandmother) and she was born in Scotland, her father was  born in Ireland and her mother in scotland. I dont have any siblings i could find.

Here is what i have on their son James Thompson :

Harry and Mary gave birth to James Thompson (Great Grandfather)  on 02/12/1864, according to his death certificate and census records he was  born in India. However his obituary says he was born in South Wales. And his marriage certificate says was born in Ireland, his sons marriage certificate he has inputted that he was born 5 miles from Ireland in the sea which makes more sense as to my limited records.

His death certificate confirms that he emigrates to Ontario 40 years before his death and in the 1921 census it confirms he emigrated in 1882, I’ve checked on the canadian gov records website and on their passenger lists , there were 3 james thompsons who came in 1882: 1/ 2- on the Nova Scotian ship via halifax on 1882-12-00 3- On the Brooklyn ship via Quebec on 22/5/1882

According to history notes at this time this was the year of significant change , improvement in infrastructure within Nipissing, The Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) arrived in 1882,

He married Kathleen/Catherine  Faughnan (Great Grandmother) in 1904 , according to the registrars record he was 34 at the time and she was 23 , he was born in  Ireland and she was born in Toronto, he is recorded as a hotel keeper at this time which fits with what we know of his work in the hotel industry, his father is logged as henry Thompson and mary ann lawson and her parents are logged as Bernard Faughnan and Catherine Tierney

Harry (grand uncle), Gordon (grand uncle) and William  (Grandad) were all born between 1906-1910.

When he was 40 years old he is recorded on the 1911 Canadian census as residing at 35 Sherbrook, North Bay, he was head of the household and worked as a hotel clerk at the time. He resided here with his with Catherine Thompson/ Kathleen Thompson, (29), Harry Thompson (5) , Gordon Thompson (3) and William Thompson (2). They also had an Irese Faughnan (18)residing with them , she is listed as sister however there are no other records of there being a sister in the family and her occupation is listed as Maid. This is likely a relative as his wifes maiden name is faughnan

All children are listed as being born in Ontario and all of the family are listed as being Irish Roman Catholics with Canadian Nationality

His obituary states that he opened a billiards room (left) on the Queens block facing main street, based on the location and internet searched the primary building with the curved top is where this would have been , it was a hardware shop and the owners would rent out multiple spaces to other business and this is where the billards hall would have been , at the time they were a bit of a taboo due to the gambling issues etc. The site is now called the Block and is a public house.

He passed away on 03/04/1925  at the age of 60 years old, according to his death certificate he passed away at 29 Main Street, West,  and died due to angina Pectoris ( Angine/Stroke/Heart Problems).

He is buried in North Bay St. Mary's Cemetery (Roman Catholic Church ). He was buried 06/04/1925 in Block C, Plot 79, Grave 2






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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Thompson Family / North Bay , nipissing , emigrated
« on: Saturday 15 March 25 02:12 GMT (UK)  »
i think your right james (born 1864) should have his mother as mary ann lawson rather than catherine fontland , i need to find the marriage certificate then i can go from there :)

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Thompson Family / North Bay , nipissing , emigrated
« on: Saturday 15 March 25 01:30 GMT (UK)  »
absolutely , i put stuff in and then im reasearching from the botton up , but i am new to this so if ive made any errors all help is massively welcomed

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Thompson Family / North Bay , nipissing , emigrated
« on: Saturday 15 March 25 00:42 GMT (UK)  »
I've have a document that ive popped everything on , if you want me to email it over :) as it wouldnt upload on here , hoping the link to my tree works :)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/203042705/family?cfpid=192657100108&fpid=192657329655&usePUBJs=true


i guess just try to find out anything about harry so 5th and 4th generation on the thompson line , i need to update their information

Harry Thompson (Great Great Grandad) was born in Scotland although not sure how valid this is  (DOB unknown and no further details at thit time, he would have gone to india at some point if we think his son james was born there, likely correlated with the first world war

According to James records his mother is called Mary (Great Great Grandmother) and she was born in Scotland, however according to his death certificate her surname was unknown, her father was  born in Ireland and her mother in scotland, other notes ive seen indicate her name to be mary ann lawson which would make sense due to the use of lawson in middle names etc after that

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Not South Wales or India, but I’ve been contemplating this birth

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
THOMSON, JAMES  LAWSON     LAWSON 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 466

so other documents ive seen have his mother potentially listed as mary ann lawson which would fit with the names prescence in the family

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Thank you for that Sandra.
I hadn't got around to following him up.  Shame though.

No problem.  I am a little suspicious of "India" myself.  Did you notice that on the marriage certificate for James Harry Thompson - bottom left hand corner :-  Birthplace of Bridegrooms father :-  "5 miles from Ireland on the sea"

Sandra

i didnt but i havnt had sight of the marriage certificate as i couldnt find it  if you have a link that would be great !

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Thompson Family / North Bay , nipissing , emigrated
« on: Friday 14 March 25 23:06 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to all of your help everyone ive managed to go up the Faughnan/Tierney Line, i i have a little working document on all their stories that im putting together so i can thank you all enough ,

I am still massivly stuck at Harry Thompson but thinking i may need to post on an india/scottish group for some help with that as i know james emigrated to canada in 1882 and is listed on multiple records as being born in india albeit irish descent  but i just cant find anything on that

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Thompson Family / North Bay , nipissing , emigrated
« on: Friday 14 March 25 22:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello and a warm welcome to RootsChat.

I agree with the poster on your other thread that the surname of Catherine/Kathleen is probably
Faughnan or something close to that.

Here is the marriage of James and Catherine. This is the Registrar’s copy. Image available on ancestry on 2 consecutive pages.

It provides James’ mothers maiden name for you.

James Thompson
Age 34
Residence when married North Bay
Place of birth Ireland
Bachelor
Occupation Hotel Keeper
Names of parents Henry Thompson and Mary Ann Lawson
To
Catherine Faughner
Age 23
Residence when married Toronto
Place of birth Toronto
Spinster
Names of parents Bernard Faughner and Catherine Tierney
Witnesses (?) Moffit of North Bay and Jessie Rafferty of Toronto
On 10 Oct 1904 at Toronto
By Licence
Married by J J McCann
Religious designation for both is RC
Date of registration 13 Oct 1904

On the subject of children for Gordon…

Canada has strict privacy laws and most births are protected for 100 years or more. One would need to look for newspaper notices of births or parents deaths, or other means to learn about children.

You now have Harry’s death and other info on your other thread.

I am going to link your other thread here.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890084.9

PB

thankyou so much this was so helpful

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Charlotte. Do you know what William’s occupation was?

which william, it seems as if my family like to recycle names as last and middle names just to keep it interesting lol ?  this is all i have on grandad william:

William  J (James?) Thompson  was born on 09/04/1910 (or potentially 04/09/1910) in North Bay , Nipissing Canada.  I can’t find a copy of his birth certificate at this time, According to his fathers obituary his nickname was ‘Willie’.
He is recorded in the 1911 Census as residing in North Bay, Nipissing , he was living with his father , mother and two brothers, there was also two females there Irese (18) and Mary (12) Laughman  but Irese is listed as a maid.
In the 1921 census he is still residing in Northbay at 35 Sherbrook, google maps have a Sherbrooke street in North Bay, at this point he is listed as a scholar, he would be 11 so in school at the time ,  by these point Irese and Mary are no longer with them
His father passed away when he 14/15 .
From this point (1921-1953) I’ve lost track of grandad however we know at some point during this period that he returned to the UK , he potentially worked as a printer.
A letter was issued from Pierre Elliot Trudeau (15th prime minister of Canada) surrounding Williams hopes to return to Canada , this letter is dated 12/06/1970 and I will touch on this in a bit , but in this letter  it states that William came to the UK during the second world war (approx. 1939-1945) and remained here.
He was initially married to another woman (name unknown at this point and they had a son who would have been born around 1949
He then re- married Ellen Grace Bland in January 1953 in Islington. The index card states January but would need to order a marriage certificate. They had 4 children, Brett, Selina, Denise and Glen.
In 1954 he moved in to Elmore Street and lived with Ellen and his mother in law Rose.
In 1957  they were potentially living at 102 Naish Court, Pembrok Street , Islington (LEFT), also living here were violent and ernest Thompson (relation unknown and need to verify to ensure correct record as a little bit of an anomaly although correct area and coupling )

Approximately 9 years later in 1962 their son Glen was born, his wife  died in 1967 when glen was around 5/6 .
Going back to the letter by Prime Minister Trudea, he  speaks of williams hopes to return to Canada with the children however this was dependant on the immigration pools, at the time Glen was working as a machinist and bulldozer operator
According to family letters from social services she passed away due to bronchial issues, Ellen unfortunately passed away  on 15th December 1967 when your dad was roughly 5 years old and William ( his father ) passed when he was around 11 .
Their eldest son Brett was admitted to Stamford House remand Home on 07/06/1968 due to appearing at Juvenille court on 21/06/1968, the report from the home speaks fondly of home , describing him as small in nature  and low intelligence (that of a 7 year old), he was not doing well at school but this was the oppositie in the home (RIGHT- Stamford House remand home)
His psychiatric report reiterates mucht the same, giving the image of a young, anxious physically but not emotionally deprived boy who was kicking out at school and in life due to grief and missing his mother
Social services reports on 6/6/1968 show that the family were receiving home help to assist as William was having to work such long hours and that they increased this to help the family along
Social services report on 03/10/1968 discloses that the family were living in poor conditions , commenting on the residence having no hot water, being damp and poky and the property was visited by the Public health department. The report from the department on 19/07/1968 also confirmed that their son brett had asthmas and bronchitis aggravated by the living conditions
The report on 3/10/1968 outlines the hardship the family faced and that William was working long hours in a bid to keep the family together and comments on the strong family feeling, it was previously suggested about the children being received into care but opposed due to the fact that it would result in losing both their mother and father in a very short time. It is noted in all reports that William was a loving caring hard working father who was just struggling to cope with the children after his wifes death , albeit desperate to keep them together.
William passed away approx 6 years after his wife, He passed away 29/05/1974 at St Batholemews hospital in Smithfeld  in London,  he was living at 24 watersville mansions , islington at the time of his death and employed as a telephonist (death certificate) death was informed by son brett james thompson, cause of death was a coronary occlusion,atherosclerosis and hypertension, the death was registered on 31/05/1974

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