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Inverness / Re: Kiltarlity - Waugh/Fraser
« on: Tuesday 04 March 25 09:54 GMT (UK)  »
My apologies for the delayed reply but I have only just seen your post.  Thank you so much.  Yes that Mr R Waugh would have been my dad, Robert.

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One Name Studies: H to M / Heard - from Cornwall to USA
« on: Monday 03 March 25 22:20 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to connect various members of the Heard family from Cornwall (UK) with their descendants, and possibly also ancestors in the USA.

I know for a fact that some members of the Heard family emigrated from Cornwall in the late 1800s and early 1900s, arriving in New York and settling in South Dakota and Montana.  For example, Frederick John Heard travelled in 1902, arriving in Ellis Island, New York before going onto South Dakota.  He travelled with his cousin Thomas Danning and they were both to meet Frederick's brother, who was already in the US.  I believe this brother was Stephen James Heard, who emigrated in 1899, although it seems he later returned to Cornwall.  Others from that family who emigrated to Montana around this time include Alfred George and Albert Richard Heard.  It is certain that the descendants of these first Heards remained in the USA for at least several generations, most likely to date.  What I am wondering is who the first were and how early the first Cornish Heards arrived in the US. 

I found someone's family tree which listed Mary Jane Danning (born Heard in 1840 in Cornwall), mother of Thomas Danning and aunt of Frederick Heard, mentioned above, as a daughter of Senator Thomas Jefferson Heard of Georgia and granddaughter of Governor Stephen Heard.  I am certain this is incorrect, as Mary's father and grandfather were both named Jacob, and also because Thomas Jefferson's Heard's other children were all born in Georgia, but I do wonder if there is any connection, such as a common ancestry or any other family link, between the Heards of Montana/South Dakota and those of Georgia/Virginia.  I do recognise that these are far apart geographically but, as they had already travelled across an ocean, it is not inconceivable.  Do any of you have any data that might help me connect these two family branches, if indeed any such link even exists.

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Inverness / Re: Kiltarlity - Waugh/Fraser
« on: Sunday 23 February 25 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you both.  That is very helpful.

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Inverness / Kiltarlity - Waugh/Fraser
« on: Sunday 23 February 25 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
My father Robert Waugh (1928-1988) and his older brothers William (1921-2019) and Alexander (1925-1997) were all "farmed out" to live with the Fraser family on a croft in Kiltarlity sometime after the death of my grandmother in early 1929.  I know that they attended the local school (I think Tomnacross is the name) which I visited in 1997 and the head showed me a record book with my father's name but this was long before smartphones so I have no proof of this.  I know almost nothing about my father's childhood, other than that he attended the wedding of a Hugh Fraser.  I met someone named Mary Fraser on that 1997 visit and she let me have a copy of a photo, which I believe to be of that wedding, but it was unfortunately lost during a later house move.  I know that my father returned to his birthplace of Glasgow some time after the death of his father in 1942 but I believe he did make at least one return trip to Kiltarlity thereafter.  His older brothers ended up living in England.  It is highly unlikely that anyone who remembers my father in Kiltarlity is still alive now, but I wonder if there is any way to access his school entry records online.  Census data from the 1930s is not yet available. Does anyone know of an online repository for such info from that school? 

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Cornwall / Re: Help to Distinguish between multiple Thomas Danning births
« on: Wednesday 19 February 25 14:34 GMT (UK)  »
My apologies, Comberton.  I should have realised that the the links you provided were both to multiple page docs.  These are incredibly useful and have now helped to answer several questions and close gaps.  Thank you very, very much for this.

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Cornwall / Re: Help to Distinguish between multiple Thomas Danning births
« on: Wednesday 19 February 25 13:24 GMT (UK)  »
OK I have reviewed the data from the two links on FindMyPast (signed up for a 7 day free trial, which I will have to remember to cancel so that I don't get hit with a £200 cost, as I already have a paid MyHeritage subscription).

These links show a single man, born in Liskeard, with a birth, given stated age on the two differently dated documents of around Sep/Oct 1871.  Not sure if this is the right one, who married Emmeline/Emma in 1898, but still looking and going back to the earlier screenshots. 

Thank you for the help so far.

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Cornwall / Re: Help to Distinguish between multiple Thomas Danning births
« on: Wednesday 19 February 25 12:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the responses.  I have never found a marriage certificate for Thomas and Emmeline/Emma.  I found this on FamilySearch - https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LBN2-DBN .  There is a reference to another child, Lily Marion Ellis, who I believe was born to Emmeline's second husband James Ellis, not to Thomas. 

The information from the various responses above, I believe, allows me to rule out the Lawhitton Heard connection and thereby the emigration.  Incidentally I found a newspaper reference in South Dakota to Thomas Danning in 1896, suggesting that the Thomas Danning who emigrated to New York in 1902 is not the same one who appeared on the South Dakota 1905 census.  I am focussing on the Liskeard area now, as James (son of Thomas) and Emmeline (his mother) were certainly there in 1901.

Thank you for that service record.  Can I please have a link to that to study it more?

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Lanarkshire / Re: Waugh connections please
« on: Tuesday 18 February 25 22:08 GMT (UK)  »
I realise you posted this question many years ago, but I have several John Waughs in my family tree, with two living in Glasgow during the time period you question.  My grandfather John Waugh was born in Maxwelltown (at that point part of Troqueer Parish in Kirkudbrightshire but these days part of Dumfries).  He moved to Glasgow some time around the turn of the 20th century and married his first wife, Sarah Loudon in 1904 and they had two children, John (born circa 1908 and Charles born 1916).  John and Sarah later divorced and John remarried to Catherine Carmichael.  They want on to have three more children, one of whom is my own father.  I have very little information on these two John Waughs in Glasgow, but can tell you that the elder one died in 1942.  I hope that, after all these years, this information still has some value to you.

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Mary (Hastings?) Waugh - Troqueer/Maxwelltown
« on: Sunday 16 February 25 11:51 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.  The marriage on 11 Jan 1856 was between my great great grandparents, John Waugh and Agnes Thomson.  She died not long after giving birth to my great grandfather, John Waugh - he is the one whose year of birth is given as circa 1856 on the census (he was actually born 9 March 1857).  Agnes' parents were John Thomson and Mary Menzies. 

Mary Hastings' son John Waugh remarried, to Agnes McKie, in Nov 1862 and had four more children (Catherine Howat Waugh, Mary Hastings Waugh (not to be confused with Mary Hastings - this is the granddaughter of the Mary Hastings I am researching, Jane McKie Waugh (later Pirie) and Helen McKie Waugh. 

Andrew also got married, only a few months after the 1861 census, to Jane Gordon, and they had six children.  This suggests Mary lived alone from late 1861 until her death.  She is not on the 1871 census, as far as I can tell, suggesting she died some time before then, although she could equally have moved away by then.

Mary's son John (b 1836) died in 1872 and her grandson John (b 1857) married Margaret Bell in 1881 and they had four children, the eldest being called (yes, you guessed it) John (1882-1942, my own grandfather)

The census information causes some confusion.  Both the 1851 and 1861 census list Mary Waugh as a widow, born c 1818, living with sons John and Andrew in King Street, Troqueer but the details differ slightly.  The earlier one gives a different place of birth for her and slightly different years of birth for the boys.  The earlier one also listens an extra child, Sarah McKie, listed as Mary's two year old daughter (if this is the case, she would have given birth aged 31, and possibly from an extra marital relationship given the differing surnames).  I can find no trace of Sarah beyond 1851, so it is unclear whether she died young or was possibly "farmed out" (sent to live elsewhere with another family), which was known to happen to children of poor families in that era and in that region as I know it did happen with other ancestors, but cannot prove in Sarah's case. 

It is possible, but seems unlikely, that there could have been two different Mary Waughs with sons of the same names and similar ages living in the same street ten years apart.  Discrepancies between the censuses may well be recording errors.

The 1841 census is an interesting one.  1882 John did move from Maxwelltown/Troqueer to Glasgow sometime around 1900 but I had never considered before that ancestors several generations earlier could have originated from there, so will look into that.  Thank you.

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