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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Friday 15 May 09 22:34 BST (UK)  »
Helen,
Couldn,t really ask anyone to follow all this.   Lots of connections or co-incidences.
William Hayes to Wm and Mary 1805 Cheltenham
1832 Kendal, Wm marries Mary Camm of Lancaster (mothers name DIXON).
1839 and 49, Jane and C harles born to above.  Jane diappears off the map after 1851.
1861 Wm, Mary and Charles together with Dixons at Sun street, Lancaster.  Newtons next door.

Moving to an unconnected family?  William and Jane Swan, married 2.7.1814 Lancaster.  They had Alice who married John Newton in 1841.  Also Ellen who married Wm Stewardson . The odd Hayes and Newton appear on various census together with the name Black ;  Monks and Stewardson.

The only real connection is the marriage of CHARLES to Ellen Newton in 1875.  This is witnessed by  William Hayes Newton who is the son of John and Alice.  Surely that can' t be a co-incidence.

Ther are other co-incidences and inter-twining but too boring perhaps.

Just possible one of the above names might ring a bell with somebody.  Would love to know antecedents about  the William and Jane mentioned.  He was from what was Yorkshire but right on the boundary.
My William adopted the name variously Arkley; Arteley; Artley - where on earth did that come from.?

Happy days (read just before you go to bed, will ensure a good nights sleep)

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Westmorland Lookup Requests / Re: Kendal deaths - Hayes
« on: Friday 24 April 09 23:30 BST (UK)  »
Chris,
Your interest is much appreciated.

Very best wishes    Happy days

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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Tuesday 21 April 09 16:38 BST (UK)  »
Girls,
          Just wondered if any of you can help.   Can,t help feeling there may be a connection somewhere.
 My  Mary hayes was a dressmaker to 1851.   Bewtween there and 1861 when they moved to the Lancaster and Kendal  area, she became a ladies maid.  Wonder where.
Any William hay (es) in your family trees around 1780?  Arkley (soundex mean anything).  Newtons / Dixons?.  I can find a vague connection between a Wm Hayes/Jane, Lancaster C1800.

Just a thought as I am old enough to be asking them in person shortly
and lastly, the  comment above.  All my family are tall and thin.

Happy days










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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Sunday 19 April 09 23:31 BST (UK)  »
    I am a Hayes, with variations over the years.  I,m in Warrington.
Wm Hayes was born to Wm and Mary, Cheltenham 1803.  That is the full entry.  Wms and Mary were all the fashion.
The younger William vanishes till he married Mary Camm of Lancaster in 1832 in Kendal.  He calls himself
William ARKLEY Hay, later changed to Artley (think soundex) and he is a Hayes again.

He has a son Thomas, also Richard , James and Charles and Jane 1939 -  all in Warrington 1841 and 1851. By the 1861 Jane has disappeared off the map and the family are back in Lancaster, with Dixon ( the name of Mary Camms mother) in Sun street.
Thomas is a gardener in Kendal for the rest of his life.  James a groom in Kendal.  William and Mary are buried in Lancaster.  Charles was book-binder in Lancaster.  Richard never went far from Manchester.
I can find a marriage for a Jane which fits, but I am fairly certain that one was born in Aspull.
ARKLEY must mean something and would give me a clue as to the brick wall which is Wm and Mary senior.  What were they doing in Cheltenham?
To throw in another red herring, there is a Hayes connection through a William and Jane Hayes, 1814 Lancaster, and eventually the Newton family and Charles Hayes as above.


Happy days

An enigma wrapped up in a puzzle.



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Westmorland Lookup Requests / Kendal deaths - Hayes
« on: Sunday 19 April 09 21:00 BST (UK)  »
  Would like to find any deaths in (and cheekily) around Kendal 1803 to 1845 - William  and Mary Hayes (Hay (s).  They would be  about 22 in 1803.
The family spent most of their lives between Kendal and Lancaster. William was a gardener - no relation to the garden centre Hayes, as far as I know.

Many thanks   Happy days

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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Sunday 19 April 09 19:03 BST (UK)  »
  Chart probably doesn,t help much.    The remarks may refer to Thomas Hayes/Elizabeth Vickers but more likely John Hayes/ Elizabeth Wilcock. John 1788 Staveley to1856 Grasmere.  Elizabeth 2.8.1796 Ambleside tp 27.3. 1838 Crossthwaite..  She was apparently the daughter of the owner of the Salutation Inn, Ambleside.  Married 5.6.17 Grasmere.
John farmed at Keswick.  Went into the coaching business.

"in 1851 - the rectory,Grasmere.  Sir Richard Fleming,John Hayes , widower. cowman, 53;  Mary H, housekeeper 37;  Jane Hayes, house servant. 13.
The chart seems to focus on the better off Hayes's.
   I might add that my Mary (nee Camm) left Warrington in the 50s and re-appeared 1861  in Lancaster (with Dixon) - she had changed from  a seamstress to "former house-keeper" - just wondered if she may have followed on from the pre mentioned Mary.  Where my Jane got to in the 50s remains a mystery.





The first mentioned Thomas "farmed with William Wordsworth etc
 The next section down goes To John Hayes, b 16/12/1832 marriedHannah Atkinson'.     And  William b 1834; Robert 1842 to 3;   Those two  just may be related to Mary and Jane subject of the query.

My biggest brick wall of all comes from from Mary,s son William Hayes - he awarded himself the middle name of Arkley or later artley.  would love to know where that came from - not his mother i don,t think.



Happy days

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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Thursday 16 April 09 21:57 BST (UK)  »
   My chart has the 1851 census Jane with her parents.  Seems to go back to John Hayes who married  Elizabeth Wilcock. Says she was the daughter of the owner of the Salutation inn, Ambleside.
The line on the chart goes much further back than that, but it's a bit complex to follow.

The line seems to go all the way back to a John Hais 1654 or , James Hais, buried 21.4. 1667, curate of Hescatt and Greystoke.
There are so many different spellings over the years.

Happy days

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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Thursday 16 April 09 19:38 BST (UK)  »
Girls,

I have a very large print out of the Hayes clan, which includes seedsmen.
I am not permitted to give copies but would be willing to look see if any one is on there if you give me a name and approx date.
It is titled"the Lake district Hayes Family and Pedigree" and dates back to the 16 hundreds with the legend that it stems from someone who fled his fathers anger in Glastonbvury.

Happy days

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Westmorland / Re: hayes family
« on: Thursday 16 April 09 11:03 BST (UK)  »
  Ho hum. Well done you.  I'll keep searching.
Best wishes  Happy days

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