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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: moon family in ardkill
« on: Wednesday 09 April 25 16:46 BST (UK) »
Thats great thank you i didnt even think of looking at the census - maybe a sign i should take this further! Thanks again Christine
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: moon family in ardkill
« on: Wednesday 09 April 25 13:21 BST (UK) »
I think the link to John Caldwell Clements may in fact be to a person called James Moore rather than James Moon based on the surnames on the townland of Eskermabrogue. When i search irish geneology site for the name Moon the alternative is "Moan" but looks like Moore would also be a good alternative surname to search as it does look very similar in handwriting.
John Caldwell Clements is from one of the Clements families living in the townland of Fernaghandrum in Tyrone. His brother Thomas died on 31st December 1921 and the paperwork from the administration is available at PRONI. It mentions John Caldwell Clements in this paperwork and so connects him to the townland of Fernaghandrum.
His brothers were Robert Brown Clements and Thomas Clements. He also had two sisters Margaret Isabella and Matilda Jane.
His father John died on 26th July 1885. His mother Jane died 3rd October 1890
Hopefully Robert Richards or someone in his family will find this and get in touch.
Many thanks
Christine
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Tyrone / Re: John Maxwell Clements born 14th Feb 1866 Omagh
« on: Saturday 05 April 25 18:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks Elwyn
I can see i the local papers, the land being sold in 1915/1916 (i do know but not to hand) but i think John and Sarah left the farm vacant before then. Sarah signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 but it looks to me like that left around 1912 and the court took over the farm until it could be sold and monies passed to John's first wife.
Presumably they could have gone back to America under a false name as it was before passports. He was an American citizen though so i thought he would surface somewhere once the divorce was finalised. I have also tried to trace the family of Sarah Norris and her brother James who was living with them in Nebraska but their are lots of people with those names so i couldn't pinpoint anyone.
Many thanks
Christine
I can see i the local papers, the land being sold in 1915/1916 (i do know but not to hand) but i think John and Sarah left the farm vacant before then. Sarah signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 but it looks to me like that left around 1912 and the court took over the farm until it could be sold and monies passed to John's first wife.
Presumably they could have gone back to America under a false name as it was before passports. He was an American citizen though so i thought he would surface somewhere once the divorce was finalised. I have also tried to trace the family of Sarah Norris and her brother James who was living with them in Nebraska but their are lots of people with those names so i couldn't pinpoint anyone.
Many thanks
Christine
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Tyrone / Re: John Maxwell Clements born 14th Feb 1866 Omagh
« on: Saturday 05 April 25 17:34 BST (UK) »
Hi
I cant find him on passengers lists after 1911 when he came back to Northern Ireland. I could see his wife Ann Jane go out to America to find him in 1908 but i didn't see her come back in 1910 although from you you say its most likely her in 1910. Its really sad if she stayed 2 years in America trying to make it work with him.
That is him aged 41 on the 1911 census although Sarrah is going by the name Sarah Clements she is likely still actually Sarah Norris as he is still married to Ann Jane!
I don't know of any children or what happened to him at all after 1912. Although the divorce case says he is in America i cant find him on the 1920 census or any death record. He didnt want to be found so maybe DNA match if he didn't have children may be my only hope of finding where he ended up
Many thanks for your help. The land deal is interesting - that's the two farms he bought that was core of the divorce case - the land was sold by the court to pay the alimony although its not clear when they vacated the farm.
Thanks
Christine
I cant find him on passengers lists after 1911 when he came back to Northern Ireland. I could see his wife Ann Jane go out to America to find him in 1908 but i didn't see her come back in 1910 although from you you say its most likely her in 1910. Its really sad if she stayed 2 years in America trying to make it work with him.
That is him aged 41 on the 1911 census although Sarrah is going by the name Sarah Clements she is likely still actually Sarah Norris as he is still married to Ann Jane!
I don't know of any children or what happened to him at all after 1912. Although the divorce case says he is in America i cant find him on the 1920 census or any death record. He didnt want to be found so maybe DNA match if he didn't have children may be my only hope of finding where he ended up
Many thanks for your help. The land deal is interesting - that's the two farms he bought that was core of the divorce case - the land was sold by the court to pay the alimony although its not clear when they vacated the farm.
Thanks
Christine
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Tyrone / John Maxwell Clements born 14th Feb 1866 Omagh
« on: Saturday 05 April 25 15:34 BST (UK) »
Hi
My family member John Maxwell Clements was born in Omagh on 14th February 1866 and went back and forward to the US a couple of times. He is last known in Tyrone in around 1912 when he was going through a complicated divorce. I would love to know where and when he ended his days but i cannot find any death or burial records for him. He was an American citizen so i assume he went back to the US - if he is on the 1920 census its not under the name John Maxwell Clements.
This is probably a bit of a lost cause but i thought id ask!
Many thanks
Christine
My family member John Maxwell Clements was born in Omagh on 14th February 1866 and went back and forward to the US a couple of times. He is last known in Tyrone in around 1912 when he was going through a complicated divorce. I would love to know where and when he ended his days but i cannot find any death or burial records for him. He was an American citizen so i assume he went back to the US - if he is on the 1920 census its not under the name John Maxwell Clements.
This is probably a bit of a lost cause but i thought id ask!
Many thanks
Christine
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Tyrone / Re: Early Clements Omagh Clogherny Fernaghandrum
« on: Saturday 05 April 25 13:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you Elwyn, i am going to Proni next week so will try those church records. Christine
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: moon family in ardkill
« on: Saturday 05 April 25 13:20 BST (UK) »
John Caldwell Clements is from one of the Clements families living in the townland of Fernaghandrum in Tyrone. His brother Thomas died on 31st December 1921 and the paperwork from the administration is available at PRONI. It mentions John Caldwell Clements in this paperwork and so connects him to the townland of Fernaghandrum.
His brothers were Robert Brown Clements and Thomas Clements. He also had two sisters Margaret Isabella and Matilda Jane.
His father John died on 26th July 1885. His mother Jane died 3rd October 1890
Hopefully Robert Richards or someone in his family will find this and get in touch.
Many thanks
Christine
His brothers were Robert Brown Clements and Thomas Clements. He also had two sisters Margaret Isabella and Matilda Jane.
His father John died on 26th July 1885. His mother Jane died 3rd October 1890
Hopefully Robert Richards or someone in his family will find this and get in touch.
Many thanks
Christine
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Tyrone / Re: Early Clements Omagh Clogherny Fernaghandrum
« on: Saturday 05 April 25 12:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much. I have now gone through all the Clements records on the Irish Geneology website and picked out all the ones related to this townland. It took quite a while!
I wonder how would i see when they came to Fernaghandrum. The landlord is called Francis J Gervais - it would be great if there were records from his estate so i could see when they arrived. I doubt this is possible though there seems to be very few records in Tyrone before 1840's
Christine
I wonder how would i see when they came to Fernaghandrum. The landlord is called Francis J Gervais - it would be great if there were records from his estate so i could see when they arrived. I doubt this is possible though there seems to be very few records in Tyrone before 1840's
Christine
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For Sale / Wanted / Events / John Maxwell Clements born 14th Feb 1866 Omagh
« on: Monday 31 March 25 23:50 BST (UK) »
Hi
My family member John Maxwell Clements was born in Omagh on 14th February 1866 and went back and forward to the US a couple of times. He is last known in Tyrone in around 1912 when he was going through a complicated divorce. I would love to know where and when he ended his days but i cannot find any death or burial records for him. He was an American citizen so i assume he went back to the US - if he is on the 1920 census its not under the name John Maxwell Clements.
This is probably a bit of a lost cause but i thought id ask!
Many thanks
Christine
My family member John Maxwell Clements was born in Omagh on 14th February 1866 and went back and forward to the US a couple of times. He is last known in Tyrone in around 1912 when he was going through a complicated divorce. I would love to know where and when he ended his days but i cannot find any death or burial records for him. He was an American citizen so i assume he went back to the US - if he is on the 1920 census its not under the name John Maxwell Clements.
This is probably a bit of a lost cause but i thought id ask!
Many thanks
Christine
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