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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Joseph SMITH Convict to Australia 2nd Fleet
« on: Friday 31 January 25 06:45 GMT (UK) »
Most Indigenous children were born on traditional lands right at settlement times and long after. If we assume Mary is the mother, she would've most likely have wanted birth to occur close to home, given that was how she was raised at that time and in spite of the lineage of the father. She wouldn't have, nor if it was available, have wanted to receive access to any medical care by a doctor at the time so this may perfectly explain why Elizabeth Bailey is seemingly, so far, not possessed of a birth certificate. None have been located at the online Births, Deaths and Marriage records so far.
Also keep in mind that if she was half caucasian, it would make it somewhat easier for her to blend in with the population than that of an indigenous person at that time as it appears she carried her fathers surname before marriage. On the other hand, if both her parents were other people, be they convicts or settlers, technically it should be easy to locate a birth certificate for her, as even convicts who gave birth during transportation to Australia were also issued birth certificates by on-ship doctors.
https://femaleconvicts.org.au/convict-ships/born-at-sea
All we have to confirm her existence so far is a grave stone, citing her age from the time of death (1846), and a news paper article of her death.
To confirm Elizabeth Baileys parents we need written proof via verifiable documentation. In other words, a birth certificate. Locate one that correlates with her birth year, 1799 and that states who her parents were, then the matter will be put to rest. As it stands, there is no reliable evidence to the contrary regarding Joseph and Mary as Elizabeths parents, therefore it's the best information we have so far and the matter remains inconclusive.
It's important to note, information about Mary being the mother of Elizabeth isn't something that was plucked out of the ether, somebody knows something regarding the origin of where that came from. Rumours of this type sometimes come from credible sources and we need to find who originated that bit of information.
In the meantime, please remove any and all information you have edited on Elizabeth Bailey's parentage on all Ancestry related websites regarding the results of the DNA testing of the unknown individual until this is resolved with evidence of verifiable, written documentation.
Also keep in mind that if she was half caucasian, it would make it somewhat easier for her to blend in with the population than that of an indigenous person at that time as it appears she carried her fathers surname before marriage. On the other hand, if both her parents were other people, be they convicts or settlers, technically it should be easy to locate a birth certificate for her, as even convicts who gave birth during transportation to Australia were also issued birth certificates by on-ship doctors.
https://femaleconvicts.org.au/convict-ships/born-at-sea
All we have to confirm her existence so far is a grave stone, citing her age from the time of death (1846), and a news paper article of her death.
To confirm Elizabeth Baileys parents we need written proof via verifiable documentation. In other words, a birth certificate. Locate one that correlates with her birth year, 1799 and that states who her parents were, then the matter will be put to rest. As it stands, there is no reliable evidence to the contrary regarding Joseph and Mary as Elizabeths parents, therefore it's the best information we have so far and the matter remains inconclusive.
It's important to note, information about Mary being the mother of Elizabeth isn't something that was plucked out of the ether, somebody knows something regarding the origin of where that came from. Rumours of this type sometimes come from credible sources and we need to find who originated that bit of information.
In the meantime, please remove any and all information you have edited on Elizabeth Bailey's parentage on all Ancestry related websites regarding the results of the DNA testing of the unknown individual until this is resolved with evidence of verifiable, written documentation.