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My thanks to everybody who has helped here. I really do feel that I have learned a lot here.

I have a further question. I think it would be helpful for me to know where some of my relatives lived outside the Census years.
The directories on Ancestry could be one source, but are there others.
For instance;
1/ how would I search to find where my Great Grandfather was living at the time of the 1921 census when he was in hospital - or between 1911 and 1921 if he had moved house
2/ how would I search to find where his sister in law Agnes Gertrude Bolger nee Denton lived up until the 1920's

As an aside - I have just found that Alfred's father in law (Samuel George Denton - my 2nd GGF) died whilst living at 36b Eden Grove (Small world)

Quote from: MisterNick on Wednesday 29 January 25 11:43 GMT (UK)

Grove Street is now George's Street, which isn't the case from the Goad map.

Please look at my reply #17 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=888660.msg7622445#msg7622445 and the map I posted.

Grove Street is now (part of) Eden Grove. The postal address of the Roman Catholic church is in Eden Grove, Holloway.

Quote from: MisterNick on Wednesday 29 January 25 11:43 GMT (UK)

Although I don't have the answer to my original question of school / church street number,

I agree with Boo (reply #22) that it's very unlikely that the church and the school ever had a street number.

Sorry JenB, I should have said that the linked document also contradicted your map. I saw the document just after I saw your map which started my confusion. If I didn't say it earlier, I did and the side by side function of your map very useful

This area is not one I am familiar with, either personally or within any research I've done over the years.

I too looked at directories as jonwarrn did, and doubt that schools churches etc would be listed with a number on a street on maps, directories, census returns etc - they were too recognisable to miss?

This page gives a snynopsis of the history of the school (use CTRL and F to search the page and look for Sacred Heart to go directly to the entry saves scrolling)
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/middx/vol8/pp117-135

and though its not the same time frame as you are looking for, you can see the church, presbytery and school marked in 1901 on this Goad fire insurance map
https://www.oldmapsonline.org/en/City_of_London?gid=842bc6f5-eaa1-59a4-a2bb-20aef60fce90#position=18.3983/51.55004/-0.115082&year=1901

this page on the NLS gives info about the symbols etc on these maps and says that numbers parellel with the street are the house numbers - 4a Grove street, where your Alfred was, is clearly marked on that Goad map and is the other side of the road from the church
https://maps.nls.uk/towns/goad/abbreviations.html

Also check the 1921 census for Alfred who was in a convalescent home in Worthing, that tells you the name of his employer and where he worked. Whether employment records for London County Council still exist I don't know but the London Metropolitan Archives may be able to tell you

Boo

Thanks for the links.
There was definitely a school at the church at that time although it has now moved across the road and round the corner. 
I was trying to work out what I was looking at on the GOAD map and the legend. Looking from Georges St.;
As you say, the numbers parallel to the buildings are the house numbers, and so it would appear that 1, 3, 5, 7 are duplicated.
I am presuming that the no. 5 I am dealing with is on the right hand side opposite the church.
The houses on the left were built after the ones on the right. The ones on the right were there in 1874 whereas there was some sort of parkland opposite then.
With the exception of 8,  the houses on the right are two story with slate roofs. There is a one storey extension on the back of 4a, 4, 5, 6 & 7. Might this be the outside toilet?
5 seems to be larger than the others, although I can’t work out the 1 storey extension attached to it. I suppose if this one was divided into individual rooms it would make sense for the family (5 of them) to have 4a, and then my GGF moves into 5 when the family is split up
In the back garden of 4a there is a one storey building and in the back garden of 5 there is a one storey building that seems to have a felt roof.
Given the width of the houses, and available space to let light in, s it safe to assume they had one room at the front and one at the back both upstairs and downstairs.
Do you think they would open out onto the road rather than have a front garden

I think I now have a better picture in my mind of what these houses looked like.

Those maps were almost hypnotic when you’re looking for answers in them. Thanks

Thanks also for your additional posts I will work my way through them

Had a bit of a problem getting the photo sizes reduced. Hope this is it now.

Thanks for all the replies.
I have got my great grandmothers death certificate (DoD 26/12/1910) and her residence is 4 Grove Street, Eden Grove. This is in Holloway.
I don't think Grove Street exists any more, but I can't find whether it has been bulldozed or renamed. There are several references to it under a Google search, but I still can't get an answer as to where it was located.
It could be that my Great grandfather changed his accommodation either, in the same house (flats) or moved next door.
My Grandfather, who was 10 at the time was staying with his uncle in the 1911 Census.
Can anybody point me in the right direction to understand the road layout and the house layouts at the time please.
Many thanks