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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Old Scottish 1550s document. 1 line.
« on: Sunday 01 June 25 18:15 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, again.

I think 1568 is the earliest it could be. According to wiki, so totally unchecked by me,

William Stewart of Caverston and Traquair ...... ...Regent Moray gave William Stewart a charter of the lands of "Caverstoun" in January 1568

I'll play about with the document to see if I can make it clearer.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Old Scottish 1550s document. 1 line.
« on: Sunday 01 June 25 17:33 BST (UK)  »
Whats the two words before 'Sir Johne allane notarie publict' ?

The line before this is "witnes Johne purvys in bold cudbert drawar in caprastonn Johne Bruntoun...."

Bold and Caberston are opposite sides of the Tweed at Walkerburn, both villages were Bruntons lived in the 1500/1600s. Uber Haus in Caberston back in the very early 1700s was one of the houses.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Old Scottish 1550s document. 1 line.
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 18:44 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for that. Its from an Instruments of Reversion regarding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stewart_of_Caverston

Caberston (Caverstoun), is now a part of Walkerburn. I would assume my document would have come after 1568.

'cudbert drawar' is a new name to me, never come across the surname before.

In 1620 a John Bruntoun got a 5 year tack at Presthop (Priesthope) about a half mile away from Caberston. In 1650 my John was born at Caberston (son of Robert Bruntoun who had the tack of Seithope, prior to that at Nether Ludgate up at Stow. I can speculate Robert had brothers James, Thomas and more than likely John - although with John I can find no written connection). 

The Instruments of Reversion is mainly to do with William Bruntoun. I know there was a Richard Bruntoun living at Grieston at this time, who had a son, John, who had 5 sons (Thomas, Richard, John, James and Alexander).

What popped out to me was the John Bruntoun mentioned in this document as it goes on "John Bruntoun ** ** ** John Atheston ? Notarie Peebles.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Old Scottish 1550s document. 1 line.
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 09:27 BST (UK)  »
Witness John (unimportant surname) In Bold  ******  *******  *******  ******* John Bruntoun

Any help greatly appreciated.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help 1650s witness name, Innerleithen Birth, and Stow, Midlothian 1640s record
« on: Tuesday 22 April 25 13:23 BST (UK)  »
many many thanks for this. Placing Thomas Bruntoun in Bold could tie in with a deed of mortifcation when a James Bruntoun in Bold was listed as a trustee on 15th September 1660. Also I know a John was living down in Bold prior to 1650 (definately son of John, one of the 5 brothers). and my John, the 5 x fornicator, was there as a portioner in 1684 (son of Robert from Lugat who was living across the Tweed in Caberston).
Whether all these men were sons of John, grandsons of John, and great grandsons of Richard is yet to be decided, but would make my life a lot easier !

Example, Thomas, the eldest of the 5 brothers had a son married in 1610, Richard, 2nd eldest brother had a son born around 1596, James (possible son of the 3rd brother John) was married 1636. My Robert was married 1643 and possibly again in 1646.

I take it piper, in this instance, is innkeeper. I know my 4th great grandfather ran an inn in Yarrowford late 1690s early 1700s. (by inn the front room of a house, something I have only been in once down in the shires of England)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help 1650s witness name, Innerleithen Birth, and Stow, Midlothian 1640s record
« on: Monday 21 April 25 16:53 BST (UK)  »
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help 1650s witness name, Innerleithen Birth, and Stow, Midlothian 1640s record
« on: Sunday 20 April 25 14:50 BST (UK)  »
"The q[uhi]lk day Ro[ber]t bruntoun in Ney[e]r Lugat thomas Bruntoun
in ffairnihirst The Laird of Torsonce... "

With placenames and dates the search is on for the parents of hopefully 3 brothers.

Roberts son, John (born 1650), had sons named Robert, James and Thomas. (how many children he had in total, I know of 9 with another 3 illigitimates, is unknown).

The Richard line goes into further depths (ie marriage to a tobacco cutter in Eddlestone in 1667 etc etc which isnt relevant)

Whether the 2 families are connected is unknown. Taking the easy route it would go Richard, John, John then his son John having 3 brothers, but unfortunately thats totally unproven.

The fact the 2 families ended up in the same places, Grieston, Bold and Caberston is a mighty coincidence. 

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help 1650s witness name, Innerleithen Birth, and Stow, Midlothian 1640s record
« on: Sunday 20 April 25 09:38 BST (UK)  »
Exceptional useful info, thank you.

Possibly John Johnstone who was around at that time.
(A William Bruntoun married a MARET JONSTOUN in Stow in 1641, whether connected or not is unknown at this point)

And Ferniehirst ? about a mile from Lugate where Robert was living in 1645 before his move to Seithope.

I have 3 possible brothers, Robert (lived in Seithope in 1645 *At the time this was signed he was at Ludgate*, then moved to Caberston by 1650) , James (lived in Seithope in 1659),  also a possible Thomas who lived in Caberston in 1648. a Thomas being witness to a Roberts wedding in 1643 and witnessing the birth of Roberts child in 1654

(a Thomas Bruntoun threated to stab the minister at Traquair in 1628 for preventing his father being buried in the Kirk, he was from Corshope. Thats likely a prior generation/unconnected unless he was very young).

Robert was definately the father of John Brunton from 1650, born at Caberston. John was the portioner at Bold in 1684, lived in Cardrona in 1694 before moving to Grieston 1694 to his death aged 86 in 1736. A five time fornicator who claimed to be Catholic before repenting in 1682/3. marrying in the Cross Kirk in Peebles to Christian Horsburgh in 1684, then taking on many roles at Traquair Kirk including Ruling Elder and Boxmaster.

Another John was living in Bold in the 1650s who was friendly to the Stewarts of Traquair, and another John was the collector in Peeblesshire who was assaulted by Sir John Hay in 1650 (that ones ancestry is definitive to his great great grandfather thanks to a couple of documents from the mid 1600s.)


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help 1650s witness name, Innerleithen Birth, and Stow, Midlothian 1640s record
« on: Saturday 19 April 25 09:45 BST (UK)  »
'Thomas lawful son to Robert Bruntoun in Caberstone was baptised witness ***** *** and Thomas Bruntoun'.

I'm interested to know the name of the witness. (Innerleithen birth record)

Also, this is from a record from Stow, Midlothian. All I can make out is 'Thomas Brunton in' , rest of it it beyond me. (stuff below the red)

Any help greatly appreciated.

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