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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for Thomas ESPLEY
« on: Monday 04 November 24 11:13 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, I did wonder about her age because it said on the marriage record that she was 38 (and it looked quite clear) but then on the 1911 Census, she's listed as 55?! Someone was telling porkies then! Still we mustn't mock a lady for keeping her age quiet, must we!  ::) :D
I shall stick with the 55, and stop looking for more little Espleys!!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for Thomas ESPLEY
« on: Monday 04 November 24 11:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, CaroleW! I wondered about the 9 children on the 1911 Census. I wondered if the 'one had died' might have been Ellen. I also couldn't find any Espley children from their marriage, but given she was 38 when they married, she was probably quite 'old' for child-bearing by then.
BTW, I found a birth record for Wilhelmia at Birkenhead in Q1 1873 (Birkenhead, Cheshire, England, Volume 8a, Page 500) which tied in with her age (24) at marriage and death (27) in 1900, The baptism for this Wilhelmina was at Holy Trinity, Birkenhead and her parents were William and Sarah Taylor. Again, her Father is listed as William on the marriage record.
It's been an amazing journey finding so much for 'Tom Jr' (as I call him to differentiate from his Father, Tom Sr!) and I'm grateful to everyone who pointed me in the right direction!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for Thomas ESPLEY
« on: Monday 04 November 24 00:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for your input(s). I now have a 'proper' family to attach poor little Thomas to! I should have realised that there would not be any formal adoption for Thomas because adoptions in the UK weren't formalised until 1925 - I know this from my own Mother who had been fostered but never formally adopted. So I am pleased to see that the Brooks family were as welcoming to Thomas as our 'Nainie' was to my Mother.
I noted that Thomas Sr is living in the 1911 Census with his new wife, Mary, but only her children, as they are all surnamed Taylors. On their marriage record, both Thomas and Mary are listed as 'widowed', so these would have been Mary's children from her previous marriage.
Once again, thanks everyone for your help. I can't help myself, I hate to leave poor 'orphan' children with no-one to attach them to!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for Thomas ESPLEY
« on: Sunday 03 November 24 08:54 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, both Jorose and bbart! A great help off the starting blocks! I'm still a tad baffled why John and Mary Brooks adopted him. There has to be some connexion there! I'll keep looking!

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The Lighter Side / Re: Unfortunatel names
« on: Sunday 03 November 24 04:47 GMT (UK)  »
I worked with a lady once whose surname was Hertrick and she confided to me one day that she dreaded her only daughter might want to marry a guy called Mr Hiscock - she dreaded putting that Engagement notice in the paper!

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Family History Beginners Board / Looking for Thomas ESPLEY
« on: Sunday 03 November 24 04:09 GMT (UK)  »
(Hi! I'm new to Roots Chat so I hope this get to the right posting site!)

I have a large family of Brooks, and they have an adopted son, Thomas ESPLEY, who first appeared in the 1911 Wales Census, aged 12. The family is headed by John William Parkhouse BROOKS and his wife Mary Louisa, nee TOBY, and they live in Shotton, Flintshire. with 3 of their 8 (natural) children and Thomas, who is listed as "adopted son".
John and Mary say they had 9 children in all, 5 of whom are still living in 1911. From first to last, 8 of the (natural) children's birth dates are 1869 to 1892, with Thomas born in 1898. I asumed that they included Thomas as their son when counting their children, because I have been unable to find any other children for them.
I found a Birth record for Thomas for Q2 1898 at Birkenhead, Ches and a Death record for Q4 1927 at Hawarden, Flintshire. The only other mention I can find for Thomas is that 1911 Census.
Is there anyone who can shed a bit more light on Thomas? I suspect he may have been the illegitimate son of a male Brooks and female Espley, but other than that I am at a loss, so any help would be appreciated!

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