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OK - here is the whole history I have for John Barter Jordan Roissetter - my great great grandfather.  I have left off details for my great grandmother (alice rossiter) and his ancestors, to simplify things.

Cheers (and phew...)
  Andy Stratton

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Born John Barter Jordan Roissetter in 1840 in plymouth (sorry - don't know the quarter).

I don't have an entry for 1841 census...

census1851. Named as John Roissetter (age 10). At 13 Lower Street, Plymouth. Scholar. There were 16 living in the house in four households. His father John Roissetter (age 30, Painter - Journeyman), mother Sarah (age 31) and younger brothers William (age 8), Robert (age 4), Edwin (age 3) and Charles (age 4 months). All were born in Plymouth.

December quarter 1859 Married Elizabeth Stoyle. (see freebmd - look for roissetter john)

census1861 at 21 lower street, plymouth. 25 or more in five households in house. Last Maker. In the household are maternal Grandfather (head of house), James Jordan (age 73, born Cornwall), a Shoe maker, maternal grandmother, Mary Jordan (age 68, born Devon, ?Hull?), aunt, Caroline Jordan (age 28, unmarried, born plymouth), and (almost certainly) his sister Elizabeth Rossetter (age 6, born plymouth). Named as Rossetter. Neither of his parents are in the household.

Also in census 1861, in the plymouth, in the household of Humprey Stoyle (born abt 1804, St Mellion, cornwall) and Elizabeth Stoyle (abt 1803, Torquay, devon) are Eliza Rosseter (abt 1841) - presumably his wife, and Eliza Rosseter (1860) - his daughter.

So John left his first wife and daughter - this pattern was to be repeated...

In 1864 John Roissetter marrried Dorcas Odgers. (I have the certificate for this)

In March quarter 1870 he married Eliza Lampen. (see freebmd).

Dorcas had a daughter, Alice, my great grandmother, in 1870 as well. It seems John decided not to stick around... Maybe he had something against babies.

I can provide more details of Alice - up till she ran off and left her 8 children with her husband - sounds like history repeating itself...

census1871, at 313 New North rd, Islington, London. He is a lodger in a house with Eliza Roissetter (age 30, also born in plymouth). Both are married. His occupation is Painter.

census1881, John (Ruessetter) is living at 43 King St., Lambeth, London, with Eliza Ruessetter (this is eliza lampen) wife. His occupation is now plumber.

Also in 1881, Eliza A Rosetter (Head, Widow,  age 40, Dressmaker) - this is Elizabeth Stoyle, lives at ?Cambridge street?, st andrews, plymouth, with Eliza A Rosetter (daughter, age 20, shop assistant).

I haven't found John in 1891 - I found an Eliza - but she is living with a William Roissetter - also a painter. Perhaps he decide to change his name?!

He died June quarter 1899 in Surrey. (see freebmd)

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Have you discounted the 2 christenings shown on the IGI index for the correct time? They are  17/3/1795 at  Wendron son of Daniel and Jane and 27/7/1794 at St Gluvias son of John and Frances

Assuming you mean William TRELOAR, b. 2 July 1794; bp. 27 July 1794; md. 8 Nov. 1826 Eliza KNOWLES. (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treloar/7th%20John.htm)

This william is not my ancestor - he married Eliza and they had many different children.

And if you also mean William TRELOAR was baptised 17 March 1795 at Wendron.  He died aged 54, of Tresprision on 19 October 1849.  He married Jane...... (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treloar/07thDaniel2.htm)

This william also married a Jane - i.e. the wrong person...

Obviously, this discounting has to be based on current knowledge...

Cheers
  Andy

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I am searching for any further information on William Treloar, Miller, at Tregonning Mill in Stithians, cornwall in 1841.  The only current information I have is from my ancestor (his daughter - Dorcas), 'family history' and an extract from the 1841 census:

Tregoning Mill,1,William Treloar,45,,Miller,In county,
,,Elizabeth Treloar,,45,,In county,
,,Jane Treloar,,19,,In county,
,,Grace Treloar,,17,,In county,
,,Caroline Treloar,,15,,In county,
,,Dorcas Treloar,,8,,In county,
,,William Buglehall,15,,Miller,In county,

Since ages were rounded down to 5 years, William may have been 45 to 49, giving a birth date of 1792-1796.

I have traced Dorcas Treloar (odgers, then rossiter) and her sister Jane (hocking). But neither are with their parents in 1851 (I realise they most likely died). The mill is abandoned in 1851 as well - and does not seem to have been used for milling until the current owners (who I have met) restored the water wheel.

Grace may have married Richard Satterley in march quarter 1844, but I have had no success finding Richard or Grace in the 1851 census (Richard may have emigrated to australia).

Caroline may have married in quarter June 1846, to an unknown partner. The other marriages on the freebmd entry page are:
Bennetts    James        Redruth    9   311   
Lander    Charles       Redruth    9   311   
Mills    Elizabeth       Redruth    9   311   
Prisk    Mary Ann       Redruth    9   311   
Roskilly    Thomas       Redruth    9   311   
Simmons    John       Redruth    9   311   
Simons    Elizabeth       Redruth    9   311   
TRELOAR    Caroline       Redruth    9   311


My current, unproven, supposition is that William Treloar may be the third (surviving) son of Henry Treloar - details at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treloar/06thHennery.htm

N.B. The actual entry on the page above cannot be my ancestor - but when you look at the linked page - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treloar/07thWilliam4.htm - you see that the attribution is uncertain.  There is one common name (grace) with william and henry's children - as well as being henry's wifes name. Also, henry was a miller, as was william. St Gluvias is close to Stithians, and is where Henry and Grace married.

Any information on William Treloar would be very gratefully received.

Yours
  Andrew Stratton

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Well well - my black sheep of an ancestor.  JBJ (as I call him for short) is my gggf.

He was married three times (and, in those days was a bigamist - since divorce was apparently by act of parliament).

His first wife was Elizabeth Stoyle (1841) married abt dec 1859 in plymouth. They had a daughter Eliza Roissetter (1860).

Maybe he didn't like babies - because he then married my gggm, Dorcas Odgers (ne. Dorcas Treloar[1832] - she was previously married to James Odgers) in 1864 in East Stonehouse, plymouth - I have a copy of both marriage certificates (she was also a bigamist and claimed not have have been married before on JBJs marriage certificate). Dorcas had a daughter (my ggm) Alice Jane Roissetter (1870).

JBJ didn't hang around! He married Eliza Lampen (1841) abt mar 1870 in totnes, devon. They stayed together until his death abt June 1899. This creates a certain ammount of confusion when reading the census - since there are now three eliza/elizabeth roissetters...

I have lots more information on JBJ (including his parents and some grandparents) and Dorcas (including her parents and siblings) and Alice - including a passport belonging to Dorcas Rossiter for Italy that has been kept in the family. I also have some photographs of Alice, who was a music hall singer and ran off with the leading man (according to family), leaving her children (including my grandmother) in the care of their father (my great grandfather).

I visited where JBJ used to live in Plymouth - lower street - the cobbled road remains, but the houses have long gone (some under a road and some under blocks of harbour front flats).

I also visited where Dorcas grew up in Stithians and have pictures of her home (Tregonning mill), where she was in 1841 with her father, William Treloar - Miller, and family.

Please contact me if you would like to know more.
  Andy Stratton

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