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Hi,

Whilst waiting for a response from Buckingham Archives, I wondered if there were any records for 3 of the children with potential marriages as follows -

a) Elizabeth (1748) married Thomas Buckland 5 Jan 1770 - two children William Buckland (31/1//1770) and Henry Buckland (14/4/1779).
b) Henry (1750) married Susannah Ray 10 June 1776 - no known children
c) Susannah (1752) married Samuel Harris 31 August 1895 - Did she have a child Thomas born 11 June 1780 - can't immediately see mention of a father.

Alan

Hi,

Thank you all for your replies - It will take a little time to assess all the details and try to bring the tree forward.

In my tree I have previously come across a Henry being called Harry in various censuses so I think I can, with good precedent, consider Henry and Harry to be one and the same person - working on this basis, the tree seems to be building up nicely.

I agree the death of Henry in 1747 is John/Mary's child  - so far i think there are two Bent families in Whaddon - Henry/Elizabeth is one with John/Mary as the other.

I did find mention of Henry as a Carpenter and think this is the father who now seems to have been married three times. Some details on the father of Henry (1713) - the 1713 Poll Books show him from Whaddon cum Nasshe (pt Stony Stratford)  with him also referred to as Henery.

It is a challenge going back so far but am very grateful for your information.

Alan

Hi,

There are several trees on Ancestry which you may like to investigate. The only trouble is that you cannot be sure how accurate they are. You could contact the tree owners to discuss further, but to me it looks a very confusing picture without much actual evidence.

Most have Thomas Walmsley baptised 30 Sept 1763 at Hest Bank Lancaster with a marriage in Liverpool to Elizabeth Corbett (also from Lancaster baptised 19 March 1764) - the 1780 marriage records show both from the parish of Liverpool at the time of marriage (his occupation shown as a Joiner) with the children you mention being attached to this couple. They would have been 16 or 17 at date of marriage so possibly suspect?  Other trees show the couple from Liverpool itself (born c1760) and not from the Lancaster area so it is confusing. Their first born James was a wheelwright at time of marriage in 1814. Another son Thomas (1785) was married in 1808 and was a cooper at his marriage.

If you are sure your Thomas Walmsley was born in 1755 in Walton-Le-Dale then he supposedly died in the Preston area circa 1839 and the trees have linked his marriage to both Elizabeth Corbett and Elizabeth Beatson. My own thought pattern is that births in Liverpool are very unlikely to be linked to the Walton-Le-Dale/Preston areas.

There is another Thomas Walmsley born in Ormskirk c1755 (nearer Liverpool than Walton-Le-Dale) whose parents were James and Betty - James was the name of their first child born 1781 and another of Thomas's children was named Betsey - perhaps relevant - who knows?

My "guess" is that the couple from Lancaster/Hest Bank moved to Liverpool but I am concerned that they were very young at date of marriage that without real proof (such as DNA details) it really looks like an impossible task to get absolute certainty of the position. 

Unless someone else has some bright ideas?

Alan

Hi,

There are trees on Ancestry which would enable you to contact the tree owners to try and find out more about his family. However, It is essential for you to get his marriage certificate if you want to get confirmation of his father's details (otherwise its simply pure guesswork).

For your consideration a tree shows his Caernarvonshire place of birth as Llanrhoshwyn - no details of parents shown. Using this place name (Parish Llanrhychwyn) in 1841 there is a Robert Williams age 2 (one of 5 children) with John and Mary Williams at Cae Coch - occupation Farming and they are still there in 1851 (Robert age 12).

This may be the correct family but there are so many Williams families with names John and Mary, it is impossible to be sure without actual proof.

Alan 
 

 
 Hi,

Looking geographically, John Lloyd was from Kinnerton, Flintshire according to the census information and he married in Chester itself. Mary Allmark was born in Wervin which is north of Chester heading towards Ellesmere Port.

Nantwich on the other hand is some 20ish miles south of Chester so it seems unlikely your Allmark family has any connections with the Nantwich families of the same name.

A tree on Ancestry suggests that John Lloyd was one of 7 children born to Edward Lloyd (1758-1843) and Elizabeth Shone (1766-1848) who married in 1785 at Hawarden in Flintshire. This tree has little or no information regarding Mary Allmark. I will look at Cheshire Parish Records to see if anything shows up.

Alan