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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering 1921 Census – Scotland
« on: Saturday 22 March 25 18:12 GMT (UK)  »
Great pictures and extra info, thanks again!

It may well be that my gran Ellen knew more Lithuanian as a child but she lived such a long life that it was bound to fade over time. I'm certain I asked her about this a few years back but I'm struggling to remember myself! I wish she was still here, her family story is fascinating.

Annie and Jim lived in Tullibody, my photo of the 4 sisters was outside Annie's house on Menstrie Road. This was a small sheltered housing-style bungalow so your photo from 1960 must be where they lived previously. My partner and her family are from Tullibody so I'm asking for their help locating. That was an interesting coincidence too - I'm not sure I'd even heard of Tullibody before I met my partner, but it turned out her and her mum were living 2 streets down from Annie's house! And the church at the end of their street St. Serf's is where my aunt Janis was christened.

Ellen was married to Bonipart Grikstas (who went by his middle name Barney). They eventually settled in Troon with their children Janis, Frances (my mum), and Raymond, but before that they were touring air force bases around Scotland, England and the US. She did have a lot of fond memories of bus trips to Largs though, one of her favourite places to visit.

Vincas must be her brother Bill, although I would have guessed Vince too if I hadn't known. Not as straightforward a translation but I suppose Vi(ncas) -> Wi(lliam) makes sense. Joe's other nickname was "Golly", which is definitely from a different era...

It's interesting that Tony travelled back to Lithuania, my gran had this postcard with a picture of an old school building in Lithuania on it (Sveksnos Saules gimnazija), but no writing on the back and no indication of the significance of it so it may have been brought back by Tony as a souvenir. No idea if it has a specific connection to the family but I've attached a photo anyway.

My gran did have a lot of photos in her belongings, many of which are now with my mum. I'll need to have a look through them all next time I'm over to see if there are any other interesting ones, or see if there are any clues as to the age/location of Maggie's photo. Very interested to see if there are any photos of Jonas too.

It's funny you should say Ellen and Mary look like they could be twins, your 2nd photo is actually Ellen, not Mary! The 3 younger children are Ellen's, left-to-right is Frances, Janis and Raymond. Also just noticed you swapped their names in your 3rd photo, definitely can't say they're not sisters.

My mum gave me some tips on the 3rd photo (she says hi, and that Bella was one of her favourite aunties). The boy in the front row is John Martin, son of Joe and Annie (woman in front of Joe). The rightmost man at the back is George, husband of Mary. She reckons the two other men in the back row are Annie and Jim's sons, as you said. She knows they had a son called Tom but isn't certain if he's one of the men in the photo. The baby Annie is holding is my mum, Frances.

Thanks again for sending through the photos and your family tree. If I find any other interesting photos or information, I'll let you know.

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Thanks so much for replying. I'm impressed by how much information you've managed to gather! I would love to see any photos or family tree you've been able to create. Which branch of Jonas and Magdalena's family are you from? Do you have all their English names as well?

Sadly, my gran Ellen (Anele) passed away in October there at age 98. She had been in hospital for a few months and then was moved into a care home around the time I found your post. That's why I've been interested in looking up family history. Her younger sister Frances is the only remaining sibling, residing in Canada after emigrating many decades ago.

She'd told me bits and pieces in the past about her upbringing and her family but I'm regretting not asking more! However, since she was one of the youngest of such a large family, she probably didn't have the same knowledge of the family history that her much older brothers and sisters had. Unfortunately none of the Lithuanian culture/customs/cuisine were passed down which is a real shame, to lose that connection. My gran said her older sister Meg was able to speak to their father in Lithuanian but she never learned it herself; I'm assuming most of the older siblings would have known some too. Saying that, when she was in the care home, my gran had a Lithuanian carer at one point who was surprised that she could still remember a few basic greetings!

My gran actually ended up marrying a man whose family had emigrated to New York from Lithuania (or at least that part of the world, I have less information on that side). He was in the American Air Force and stationed at a few air bases in Scotland when they met. They didn't meet through any kind of Lithuanian community, their family histories were a complete coincidence.

My mum and I wrote a eulogy for my gran that I posted to Facebook but that's probably less interesting to you since it's specifically about her and less about her family as a whole. I think I took a few details from your original post so thanks again for that.

I've attached a few photos. One of Magdalena, one of my gran with 3 of her sisters in Tullibody (Mary, Annie, Frances, Ellen), one with her sister Mary, and one with her sister Frances when she was over visiting from Canada about 10 years ago.

Here's an article I found as well about Lithuanian miners in Scotland. You've probably come across this already in your extensive research but I'll link it anyway just in case: https://www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk/oms/lithuanian-miners-in-scotland-migration-and-misconceptions

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering 1921 Census – Scotland
« on: Monday 23 September 24 22:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi Amelia, I'm not sure if you'll receive this notification since the thread is quite old but the great-great grandparents you were looking for are my great-grandparents. Their names are listed on my gran's birth certificate so I was doing my own searching and came across your post.

Were you able to find much else of interest about them or further back? I believe Maggie's maiden name is Szmiciute and I have a picture of her. They were married in Holytown in 1904 and had quite a few children including my gran.

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