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Renfrewshire / Re: Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« on: Monday 12 May 25 23:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, folks, and thanks Forfarian for that detailed reply.

As I wrote above, my query was in relation to the children of my 4th great-grandparents, so I've been going through the records I have for subsequent generations to see if there are any indications of which denomination they were associated with.

The marriages and births I have recorded for the remainder of their time in Eaglesham are all recorded as normal, with no indication of any separation. My 3rd great-grandparents moved to Glasgow in 1849, and in the wedding certifcates for the family in the years following they are all recorded as having married in the United Presbyterian Church.

I see online that the Relief Church and the United Secession Church joined together in 1847 to form the United Presbyterian Church, and, of the two, the Relief Church was the one that was active in the dates mentioned in my original query, so perhaps something to look into further. Of course, I realise that their affiliation with the United Presbyterian Church in Glasgow in later years might be unrelated to their time in Eaglesham fifty years before.

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Renfrewshire / Children of Dissenters in Eaglesham
« on: Monday 12 May 25 12:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks,

My latest request for help is related to some birth records I've obtained for my 4th great-grandparents and their children who were born between the years 1804 and 1818. I had a list of all their birth dates in advance, so I was surprised to find that there was no listing for them in the Eaglesham parish records for the dates concerned.

However, I did finally find them in a later section under the heading 'Children of Dissenters,' and I was hoping that someone here would be able to clue me in on what that would refer to in that time and place. My basic understanding at the moment is that this would refer to people who were unhappy with some aspect of church matters.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Need help with birth certificate description
« on: Sunday 13 April 25 13:40 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Sunday 13 April 25 11:16 BST (UK)
Search for page 102
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/An_Essay_on_the_Possibility_and_Probabil.html?id=UqtkAAAAcAAJ&redir_esc=y

Well, that clears that up, although in a rather long-winded way. The top of p115 caused a brief moment of confusion, but I got there in the end. Very interesting. Thankfully, the baptism record for a later child is all clear.

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Need help with birth certificate description
« on: Sunday 13 April 25 10:17 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Sunday 13 April 25 08:36 BST (UK)
"Begotten in uncleanness" in the C of S registers just means illegitimate.

To get an illegitimate child baptised you usually needed a sponsor, though I'm not absolutely certain exactly what the sponsor was letting her/himself in for. Often the sponsor was a grandparent.

Illegitimate sounds more like it. And the sponsor I mentioned does indeed appear to be the grandparent, so I guess it's best to look for the simplest explanation first. Mr and Mrs was just me leaving out the names.

Thanks all.

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Need help with birth certificate description
« on: Sunday 13 April 25 08:35 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, I should have said baptism record instead of birth. Apart from the name of the parents and the sponsor, what I included above is all that written on it, so I can't add any more details. Thanks anyway.

As for the unclean thing, I read that if the previous child was a male, then the parents couldn't have relations for three months after the birth, and if it was a female, then it would be six months. It would seem that there was an irregularity that they weren't happy about.

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Dunbartonshire / Need help with birth certificate description
« on: Sunday 13 April 25 03:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks,

I have a birth certifcate from 1779 in Cumbernauld which says that Mr and Mrs 'had a Child Begotten in Uncleaness, Bapt. called David'.

A search shows it's a description found in the Bible - relating to when a child was conceived following the birth of another child, as far as I can understand - and I was wondering if anyone could clue me in on what 'Begotten in Uncleaness' would have meant on a certificate at that particular place and time.

Maybe the parents were unmarried at the time of conception or birth, or maybe it had to do with how soon it was born after another child. Unfortunately, I don't have marriage details for the parents or birth dates for other children, so my information is limited.

Another unusual thing is that out of a dozen entries on the page, this is the only one that mentions a sponsor for the child, so maybe that was required for it to be recognised.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: A particularly puzzling pyjama pic
« on: Thursday 07 November 24 01:08 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ShaunJ on Wednesday 06 November 24 23:54 GMT (UK)
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Clothing reminds me of the uniform prisoners wore in concentration camps

Not with those boots

Or the cigarette in her right hand.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: ISABELLA HOGG BORN KIRKNEWTON NORTHUMBERLAND
« on: Thursday 07 November 24 00:33 GMT (UK)  »
Tried one with a vignette to hide some of the blurriness around the edges of the photo.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Clean up sepia photo of my Grannie, Barbara Gentleman Smith Elgin c1916
« on: Saturday 26 October 24 03:12 BST (UK)  »
A wee bit late, I'm afraid.  :)

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