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Europe / Re: Heinrich Jakob Johann Mammen 1879-1916
« on: Wednesday 19 November 25 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, TreeSpirit! That gives me a place to search. Great lead!
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Europe / Heinrich Jakob Johann Mammen 1879-1916
« on: Saturday 15 November 25 09:52 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find details of the family of Heinrich Jakob Johann Mammen. His name appears on the WWI memorial in the churchyard of the St. Mary's church in Buttforde, Lower Saxony (now East Fresia).
The memorial and burial record say he died 16 Feb 1916, age 37 (b. abt. 1879) at the hospital on Heligoland. I can find no record of his birth in Buttforde, but presume he came from one of the surrounding villages/towns and was resident in Buttforde when he died. The Mammen name was certainly common in that area.
Can anyone help with information on his family?
Many thanks.
The memorial and burial record say he died 16 Feb 1916, age 37 (b. abt. 1879) at the hospital on Heligoland. I can find no record of his birth in Buttforde, but presume he came from one of the surrounding villages/towns and was resident in Buttforde when he died. The Mammen name was certainly common in that area.
Can anyone help with information on his family?
Many thanks.
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Europe / Re: Kuper Meister, Boettger - translation
« on: Friday 07 November 25 09:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks HughC for this. My translation app obviously getting confused!
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Europe / Kuper Meister, Boettger - translation
« on: Thursday 06 November 25 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Northern Germany 1830 - a profession listed as Kuper Meister, Boettger (with o umlaut).
I initially read it as copper master, and no idea what the Boettger referred to and can't find any translation of it. The only suggestion was Boettgerware from the Meissen porcelain factory, but this is 500 miles away from Dresden, and I understand Boettgerware stopped production in the 1720s. However, this individuals son is described as Boettcher, which I understand is a cooper. Copper? Cooper? are the 2 connected in some way? Or perhaps I've misunderstood.
Any help gratefully received.
I initially read it as copper master, and no idea what the Boettger referred to and can't find any translation of it. The only suggestion was Boettgerware from the Meissen porcelain factory, but this is 500 miles away from Dresden, and I understand Boettgerware stopped production in the 1720s. However, this individuals son is described as Boettcher, which I understand is a cooper. Copper? Cooper? are the 2 connected in some way? Or perhaps I've misunderstood.
Any help gratefully received.
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Europe / Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« on: Monday 03 November 25 15:31 GMT (UK) »
davecapps: no, I haven't found her either. Patronymic search unfruitful, too. Who knows, she may turn up unexpectedly... As she's born in Oldenburg, there's nothing in the Buttforde chronicle.
Huge thanks again for making me aware of that book. Fascinating information about not only the families but also the history of the town.
Huge thanks again for making me aware of that book. Fascinating information about not only the families but also the history of the town.
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Europe / Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« on: Saturday 01 November 25 10:26 GMT (UK) »
davechapps: this is fantastic. I have managed to download it, and using a translation aid to find my way around. It has a key to symbols and abbreviations in the index section, so I think I can work my way through that, without taking up anymore of your time. Can't wait to start trawling through it all!
Huge, huge thanks to you for all your help in this.
Huge, huge thanks to you for all your help in this.
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Europe / Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« on: Friday 31 October 25 16:29 GMT (UK) »
davecapps that is indeed the word I was looking for!
Your find of the chronicle for Buttforde is remarkable. Could you possibly tell me where I can find it, as it may be able to fill in missing people in my research. A link would be great, or any information on its location.
Also, with the clip you sent, do you have any idea of the key? My German isn't great, but I can work out a lot of it. Is the 1530 before Mammen, Johan Tiophel just the number of the person in the chronicle? The *25, - 27.4. 1794 Bfd, would seem to be his birth and baptism in Buttforde, OSB Dunum 1454 I assume refers to the place somehow. His death is then 21.12 1870, Kehlfass not far from Buttforde. Any idea what the (75,7,0,6) refers to? And he is a weaver, marrying on 1.8.1823.
In the list of his and Frauke Margarethe's children, the u.a I presume is unter anderen. Is this implying another name they're recorded as, or another name in the index they're connected to?
Sorry for all these questions, but this find is incredibly exciting for my research.
Huge thanks to you.
Your find of the chronicle for Buttforde is remarkable. Could you possibly tell me where I can find it, as it may be able to fill in missing people in my research. A link would be great, or any information on its location.
Also, with the clip you sent, do you have any idea of the key? My German isn't great, but I can work out a lot of it. Is the 1530 before Mammen, Johan Tiophel just the number of the person in the chronicle? The *25, - 27.4. 1794 Bfd, would seem to be his birth and baptism in Buttforde, OSB Dunum 1454 I assume refers to the place somehow. His death is then 21.12 1870, Kehlfass not far from Buttforde. Any idea what the (75,7,0,6) refers to? And he is a weaver, marrying on 1.8.1823.
In the list of his and Frauke Margarethe's children, the u.a I presume is unter anderen. Is this implying another name they're recorded as, or another name in the index they're connected to?
Sorry for all these questions, but this find is incredibly exciting for my research.
Huge thanks to you.
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Europe / Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« on: Friday 31 October 25 11:33 GMT (UK) »
davecapps: I cannot believe I missed that... I have looked at this document over a dozen times, and only ever seen the larger middle entry for Warner Rohlfs, which as I said, I had discounted. My apologies if my last reply seemed like teaching your grandmother to suck eggs.
Many thanks again!
Many thanks again!
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Europe / Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« on: Friday 31 October 25 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this davecapps. I had come across it in my research of this Mammen line and was puzzled that some of the names didn't fit my findings. On the record for Mamme Rolfs 2nd marriage in London to Rose Ruth Dressler nee Tuffrey at St. Leonards Shoreditch, 13 Aug 1899, he states that his father is Johan Teoppels Mammen, weaver. I found Johan Teoppels in the Buttforde, Lower Saxony records (where many of this family are from), and he and his wife Frauke Margerethe Kunstfreund did have a son Mamme Roolfs in 1831/2. It would seem that the record you sent the link to is for Johan Teoppels' brother Warner Rohlfs (1805 - 1836). One of the witnesses is another brother, Rolef Behrend Mammen (1788-1852). It has taken me some time to untangle all this, as the records are often very confusing: the families in this Lower Saxony area sometimes give the father's surname to a child, and sometimes the father's christian name as the child's surname. Thus a Mamme Rohlf could name a son with Rohlf as the surname, or use the Mamme to make Mammen. Sometimes they even take the mother's name, presumably to keep open an important female line. It makes record hunting very interesting... The Catherina Margaretha Friedricke Hadde line is still eluding me, even with this knowledge!
Many thanks again for your research into this problem.
Many thanks again for your research into this problem.