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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Monday 11 November 24 21:43 GMT (UK)  »
Yes there seems to be a lot of Coulters in Ireland and also America.
My maiden name was Coulter.
My grandad was from Donegal in Ireland.
He was one of 9 I believe.
I’m still learning about his parents and their ancestors…. It’s hard to remember so much and not get mixed up 😂


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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Monday 11 November 24 20:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I had my son do a Y-dna test which I’m slowly getting the results from. Still waiting on the upgraded one but I have the y-67 and y-111. I have no clue about it so will need to spend some time in understanding it all.
The Bryson connection will be from James Bryson (Watkins) maternal side.
However my son has some stronger connections to bryson descendants named in this thread. My daughter and son both share connections with Gordon and Bryson descendants.

I believe James M’Allister’s grandfather may have been a Robinson.
The Y-DNA is showing connections to Robinson and pollock… again I need to understand it all more.

My son also has a connection to a descendant of William Andrew. Sarah Bryson’s adoptive father and employer.
Williams wife was a Bryson so that may explain that.

I have added the mtdna for my son too. I would like to know more about my side and I have my mother resting now as I have a connection to a Bryson descendant and would love to know more.

My Irish ancestors were Coulter, Christie, Conner, Orr etc. that’s my father’s side though.

My mother’s side on one line is a mystery and may have Irish connections.

Seems Manchester, barrow in Furness and Ireland had close ties.

Xx


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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Monday 16 September 24 22:41 BST (UK)  »
This is probably the relevant McAllister family:

https://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Rural/Ballyhamage/109112/

Their son James would have been a couple of years older than Sarah Bryson.


Yes this is what I found too.
Also yes the cost is about £14,200 today and would have been huge back then. Not sure what came of it and it would have been paid to William Andrew and who ever may have helped with James.

Calling her son also James is a bit odd.
I have the thought that the promise of marriage may have been an issue and when this James as a potential suspect failed on this, then maybe the court case was pushed by William as to ensure the upkeep of Sarah and James.

I’m not sure how long it took to get to court and any hope of pressure to marry, they held on to? But 6 months after James being born….it was clear that a marriage wouldn’t be happening. That’s a theory anyway.

What are the chances of another Sarah Bryson living with another William Andrew in the same vicinity?

X

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Monday 16 September 24 11:19 BST (UK)  »
#130

My daughter connects with a descendant from Annie O’Hara nee Bryson and also two from Martha Gordon nee Bryson.

So that's something. Even establishing the that tree has been a mystery. All Sarah’s family knew was her mother was Ellen and that was it. Don’t even think the surname was mentioned.

There must be someone in the families that may know something I hope.

Does anyone have advice on their favourite platforms to search for information etc?
Thanks
Xx


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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Monday 16 September 24 07:30 BST (UK)  »
Yes. Not sure how long a case or claim takes to get reported or go anywhere. Why is he cost for damages? Just wondered if that also helped to ensure the fine or fee to be out of the mother and baby home if needed????

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Monday 16 September 24 00:36 BST (UK)  »
Ahhh yes. I see.
Would be great to get him tested then.

I took ancestry and my heritage and I know the do test slightly differently. I can see some areas they don’t test.

I will need to look into it more so I get a full understanding. It’s just a bit overwhelming and it’s hard to find correct information as not many people actually know for sure.
Also free trials make me a bit more stressed. I have come across James j Nevin in the paper with his possession of a revolver. I believe he may have also drowned in 1948 and the river aged 68.

There’s a report in a newspaper in November 1918:

WM. ANDREW v. JAMES M'ALLISTER.
This action was brought by the plaintiff, who resides at Ballybamage, Co. Antrim against the detendant, wuo resides in the same locality, to recover damages for the seduction of plaintiff's adopted daughter and servant Sarah Bryson. The defendant did not appear, nor did he make any defence.
The jury found for the plaintiff, and assessed damages at £200.
Mr. Hanna,.
K.C. and Mr. M'Corry (in-
structed by Mr. James Clarke, Ballymena, appeared for the plaintiff.

Would this possibly be Sarah Bryson?
She would not of already given birth to James by this date. Not sure how long it took to report etc??
Maybe the money kept James out of the homes for children out of wedlock??!
No idea but a big coincidence if it’s not related.

X



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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 15 September 24 14:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much Gilby.

I’m just looking at GEDmatch and Ftdna. I will have to watch some YouTube videos so I can use the tools to help :)

Xx

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 15 September 24 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pezzy

If your husband's line is only direct male line back to James, son of Sarah, i,e his father was a son of James, then yDNA could tell you who was the father of James. And yes your sons would get the same result if needed.

If your daughter inherited Bryson x DNA then in would only be from his mother. If your husbands mother is the  Bryson descendant then a yDNA test from your husband or sons would not help answer who was  James father.

Austosomal DNA however can answer that question and in that case you would be more likely to find answers if your husband tests as he should have more of that DNA than your children.

If my daughter inherits matches on her X chromosome which I don’t have the same matches to the other descendant …. Has she inherited them from her father? I did have two tests ancestry and my heritage and I know they can test slightly differently.

She matches on another chromosome too that I don’t. I seem to only match my daughter and the other descendant on chromosome 10 and more strongly on that chromosome than my daughter.
I thought maybe an odd coincidence but then there are so many shared matches.


Yes my husband testing would be really helpful.

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 15 September 24 14:22 BST (UK)  »
1921 Census – Powick, Worcestershire
Henry Charles Watkins, head, 32 yrs 8 mo, widower, born Powick, Worcestershire, groundsman, working for the Humber Recreation Society.
Agnes Pruscella Watkins, dau, 3 yrs, mother dead, both St. George’s, Worcester.
Alice Sarah Watkins, mother, 61 yrs 3 mo, married, born Allensmore, Herefordshire, home duties.

1939 Register – 176 Siddeley Avenue, Coventry, Warwickshire
Henry Watkins, born 12 Oct 1889, groundsman.
Sarah Watkins, born 10 Apr 1897, unpaid domestic duties.
James Watkins, born 27 Apr 1918, aircraft wood machinist.
Agnes [P.] Jones [Watkins stoked out], born 5 Jun 1917, textile [worker].
Kenneth Watkins, born 7 Feb 1923, tool room.
Gordon Watkins, born 26 Apr 1924, at school.
Colin [Robert] Watkins, born 20 [?] Aug 1931, at school.
Robert Nevin, born 20 Sep 1898, store keeper.

Yep this is correct:)

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