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US Lookup Requests / Re: William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Thursday 08 May 25 03:15 BST (UK)  »
Evening.
Reviewed my sources for William and trying to figure out why I thought I'd found an 1880 census reference (I still haven't work it out.)

I found this Ancestry hint I'd "ignored" for William Jrs WW1 Draft registration. What stopped me from accepting was the middle name listed "Jeremiah" rather than "John" as reported on William John Jr's Birth Cert. The address matches and is the same reported by his brother Ed.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6482/images/005263032_00797?pId=11721936

Given your find of Jeremiah Sullivan & Sarah Simpson...
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-203817

I know William Jr is buried in Somerset Hills Memorial Cemetery in Somerset NJ. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have a listing in Find A Grave. My parents do...

I took at shot at searching Family Search NYC passenger lists: looking for Jeremiah (var spellings) Sullivan 1840-1905 and then reviewed any record from the late 1860s through mid-1870s. While I  found several age-appropriate Jeremiahs (around 40) all traveled alone.  No luck connecting Jeremiah to William Sr this way.

Please let me say again, A MILLION THANKS for helping me research.

I've learned so much from both of you and taken lots of notes.  I keep re-reading our chat thread and discovering new ideas you've shared. I literally cant' keep up with you both. <3

I'm completely open to your advice and recommendations!! 



 

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US Lookup Requests / Re: William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Wednesday 07 May 25 23:07 BST (UK)  »
Oh! Apologies. I was just starting to compare the Directory findings to the map I created. I now see the reference to the 1880 census. Let me dig back into where I got that address. 

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US Lookup Requests / Re: William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Wednesday 07 May 25 18:53 BST (UK)  »
Afternoon,

Here is my Ancestry Tree: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/201318585/family?cfpid=392637929967

I don't have the 1880 Census for William St. - wish I did! It might unlock William's parents and address in Manhattan. OR show his marriage to Catherine.  1890 would be great also.

Here is the NY State index I found for Catherine Sullivan. But I agree with your logic this is probably not our Kathleen - esp since you found her marriage record with the name "Kathleen".  This puts Kathleen's birth back in question.  Could she have been Anna Kathleen and went by Kathleen?

I followed your links to Jeremiah & Sarah's wedding and then to Maria's marriage. I tried to search Ancestry/Family Search for US or NY Census showing Jeremiah & Sarah. I couldn't find one. I was hoping to see Maria, some siblings (hopefully William) and perhaps an address near the many I've identified for William & Cathering--unless you found it and I missed it in this chain?

BTW, if you look in William Sr's gallery you'll see a map I created of all the addresses I've identified to date.




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US Lookup Requests / Re: William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Wednesday 07 May 25 13:33 BST (UK)  »
Morning!
Wow, you are fast! I'm still working through the ideas of early yesterday.  Here's what I worked on in no particular order.

More Children:
Kate correctly reported the # of children until the last son Harold's birth cert. For what that's worth.

I've scoured NYC Historical Vital Stats searching for birth certs for Ed, Helen, Lillian & Celia in the past. This time I searched "Sullivan" 1882-1905 and reviewed obvious names + variations + Male & Female for parents William & Kate. Anna Sullivan, b. 25 Nov. 1895 is too close to Kathleen/Catherine's b. 10 Sep 1895. However, I only have the NY state index to identify Kath/Cath's birth (note: at Cedar Point, NY? so I'm not confident). Anna's address would add another location but they moved often. Elizabeth Sullivan, b. 23 May 1891 is the best possibility.  I'll hold on to these and reach out to cousins for recollections as we've never known about more than the 8.

FultonsHistory
Wonderful resource!  Brilliant finding William "H" Sullivan. Details all match - both the street and son Harold shot by the police. It's the first I've seen of William Sr!! I've searched Newspapers.com desperate for an Obit but no luck. Also added articles about Harold's death. I had some but these helped make sense of some family lore (the speak-easy).

William "H" did make me doublecheck William's middle name. William Jr's birth cert clearly includes "John" and the Jr so I'll assume it's a typo.


JohnGrenham
I tested the surnames overlap and looked to Cork (my dna suggests Munster: SW Munster and several areas of Cork). Sullivan/Simpson might have overlapped in Ballyfoly or St Anne Shanalon Parishes.  Just noticed I crossed the wrong surnames. I should have used Simpson/Shea. I'll try today

Marriages
Thank you for the marriage certs for Kathleen and Fred (from this I'll assume Kathleen is her correct name not Catherine).  I'd found William Jr & Marion's. Incidentally, their son Harold Edward was baptized at Judson but the church had a fire and the records were lost. I'd still love to find William & Catherine's marriage. Hoping it would lead me to a location for their parents.

stevemorse.org & the Jul 1873 passenger list
I did go down the rabbit hole of this passenger list. It certainly seemed to work. I tried to follow Timothy & family but I started to get twisted around. Meanwhile you all kept researching Jeremiah and Sarah. I'm going to abandon this and jump in to catch up on all the work you've done on Jeremiah & Sarah, and Maria today.

Mt Olivet Cemetery.
A couple months ago I found an obscure website https://www.thornesmith.net/contact.html dedicated to Celia's husband Thorne Smith.  Here I found the cemetery map. I phoned Mt Olivet and they confirmed Celia, Thorne, Kathleen, Fred, William & Catherine are buried together, and all their b. & d. dates. I wasn't confident about William Srs Death cert in NYC Historical Vital Stats. It shows his occupation as Food Inspector for Bellview Hospital. All census data shows he was a shipping clerk. However, Mt Olivet matched the dates so I began to believe. Adding you're insight about the reporter (in this case Lillian) not correctly remembering William's parent's names has really made me feel confident... and then article!  Thank you

Next:
Today I'll follow up on all your brilliant work about Maria and Jeremiah/Sarah. I'm really excited to follow your trail!  I can't thank you enough.

And I'll report back
Diane



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US Lookup Requests / Re: William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Tuesday 06 May 25 13:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you ALL!! These are amazing and I'll follow up on all your ideas today, make a comprehensive list of all your ideas and start researching!! I'll let you know what I find.

So grateful for your leads... I was truly beginning to give up.  Ya'll are amazing

I'm headed to Ireland and Scotland in September. I'll visit Edinburgh Scotland and Cavan County Ireland for the Kemp/Latimer side of my family.  I'm really hoping I can crack something for the Sullivan / O'Shea side.


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US Lookup Requests / Re: William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Monday 05 May 25 18:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shellyesq,

Thanks for responding.

Ancestry had William's court request for a duplicate naturalization card. This provided his arrival & birth dates. Also, he applied at the Court of Common Pleas in NYC.  Unfortunately, the court archives were sent to NARA. Ultimately NARA told me they didn't have the original Petition doc. I recently found a 1917 voter registration that says Catherine naturalized thu marriage, as expected during this time.

No idea about religion. The Greenwich Village Historical Society lists all the churches. I'm hoping one of these will have W&C's marriage. My DNA journey opened a terrific conversation among the few Sullivan descendants left and we've been sharing our research.

Any thoughts or advice about FindMyPast vs MyHeritage vs RootsIreland?

PLEASE, keep the ideas coming.  I'm still learning how to do this effectively and grateful for all advice
Thanks again
Diane
 

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US Lookup Requests / William & Catherine Sullivan (nee O'Shea) of Greenwich Village
« on: Monday 05 May 25 13:12 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
Please help me break thru a brick wall? William John Sullivan and Catherine O'Shea.

Records show they were each born in Ireland. However, I can't find records that identify the town/county. William and Catherine are popular names among Irish immigrants in NYC during this time.  Here are the details I know:

William John Sullivan:
B. 25 Mar 1860 Ireland. Arrived NYC Jul 1873 according to a request for a duplicate Nat'l card. Haven't found passenger list but he would have been 13 when he arrived. Estimated marriage to Catherine (var. spellings) between 1882-1885. NYC Vital Historical Records doesn't have a marriage. I can't identify a church they might have attended.  D. 29 Sep 1936 on Bleecker St in NYC.  They lived in several places but always in and around Greenwich Village. Only his Death Cert suggests his parents were William and Sarah Sullivan (nee Simpson).  Can't find an obit.

Catherine / Katherine O'Shea /Shea
B. 6 Jun 1862 Ireland. Var. Census shows her arrival 1880-1885. If true, she was 18-20yrs old. I have 3 possible passenger lists but no way to single out the correct "Kate." Her immigration timing makes the 1880 Census an unlikely source and 1890 she was married with children.  D. 7 Jan 1932 at home 143 W 10th St., NYC.  Death Cert shows father as Denis O'Shea. No mother listed

Their children:
Edward (1886-1919) never married. Dies of TB 304 Bleecker St.
Helen (1889-1935). Married Paul Xiques.
Lillian (1892-1973). never married - Owned a beauty parlor on 14th st.
Florence (1893-1895) died as a child
Catherine (1895-1951) Married Frederick O'Donnell
William John "Dewey" (1898-1969) Married Marion Kemp. Moves with to Berkeley Heights, NJ
Celia Sullivan (1900-1943) Married James Thorne Smith. Moved to Berkeley Heights, NJ
Harold Sullivan (1902-1936) Married Mae Virtue. Shot & killed in front of his club.

William/Dewey was my grandfather. My family has been trying to break this wall for decades. I'm hoping new resources have become available that, as a new genealogist, I'm not using effectively or know about.

Would be so grateful for any direction or information.
THANKS in advance for your help
Diane

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United States of America / Re: Immigration date.
« on: Saturday 10 August 24 22:04 BST (UK)  »
Hello Mary,

May I trouble you for the details of your research on John Latimer & Helen Devlin? 
I have him remarrying in Annie Jane Davies in Liverpool in 1903? Your research thread might suggest I have this wrong.  I'd be grateful for better info.

I tried to follow the link from Grub but it is broken.
 
I have: 
John born Conheath Cottage, Caerlaverock, Dumfriesshire,  Ireland 1843
Helen born Edinburgh, Scotland (1850-1876)
they marry in St Patrick's Chael, Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland 1869
2 children,  Mary Ann (1872-1959) and William (1974-). 
Helen passes in 1876
John remarries to Annie Jane Davies (1875-1942) in 1903 in Liverpool, England. I'm guessing I have this wrong?

Daughter Mary Ann arrived in the US between 1879-1885 suggesting she is betweeb 5-13.
Son William - I only have his birth and have lost him

Mary Ann marries John Kemp (1898) in Episcopal Diocese of NYC. 
5 kids, John Henry (1901-1988), Marjorie (1903-1987), twins Marion (1905-1990)/Helen (1905-1906) and Dorothy (1907-1994)

Marion is my grandmother  ;D

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