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Samuel & Sarah.

William 19 Years- Birth of WILLIAM BARR in July 1890 Dromore, Co Down
Lizzie 15 Years – Birth 1892 Kilwinning, Ayrshire mmn Martin?
Sarah 7 Years – Birth 1902 Ardrossan New mmn Martin.
James 3 Years – Birth 1905 Dalry (Ayr) mmn Martin.

I believe Alexander was informally adopted by Sarah's sister below
ALEXANDER BARR mmn MARTIN 1901 Ardrossan New
15/07/1901(Thanks for the birth date)

Alexander & Isabella

Louisa Barr 1886 born Monkton and Prestwick
Isabella Barr 1889 born Maybole
Robert Alexander Barr 1892 born Maybole
William Martin Barr 1895 born Ochiltree

No other birth registrations, and no deaths of Barr children there after 1905.

Alexander Barr senior died 1913 Ochiltree age 60 (1853), as did
Isabella Docherty Barr nee Martin in 1937, if the age of 75 is correct she was 16 at marriage?


There are these two other birth registrations mother MARTIN .

ALEXANDER BARR 1896 Stevenston

BARR MARY 1907 Died 1908 Stevenston

I cannot find Alexander age about 5 on the 1901 census, no death, or possible parents.

Regards Colin

Hi Colin,

A few months later and I've done a bit more digging on the Barr's and Martin's.
I've found out the true identity of the Alexander who we believed (sadly not correct) was unofficially adopted by Sarah Martin's sister, Isabella.

Alexander Barr was born 8th April 1902 in Coylton. I believe this Alexander was the illegitimate son of Jane Ellen Barr, daughter of Isabella and Alexander. There is a corrected entries page on SP regarding the paternity of the child but it badly needs re-scanning which I have requested.

I purchased the 1911 census record for the family, Bella Martin Bar is living with her son William and also Alexander (census states son but this was her grandson) gives birth location as Coylton. In the 1921 census, Alexander is still living with is grandmother.

Isabella died 31st March 1922 and Alexander was the informant and listed correctly as grandson.

Unfortunately I now don't know for 100% sure if Isabella Martin is indeed the sister of Sarah Martin/Barr as she was born approx 1856 I've been unable to find a birth record. Her death certificate states her parents as John Martin and Sarah Martin nee Gray. I've been unable to find a marriage record for a John Martin and Sarah Gray. I suppose her grandson could have not known his great grandparents names so I still think it's highly likely that they are indeed sisters.

Isabella Martin is from Skeagh on her marriage certificate to Alexander Barr and her father is listed as Samuel Martin - same for her sister's marriage to Samuel Barr. I also noted that a James Heylitt is the witness to both marriages, but then he is also a witness at other marriages on the records so not sure if this is a family connection or someone who was an official at the marriage  .

I'm also thinking that Alexander Barr and Samuel Barr are related some how... 

Hello,
We recently found an old photo album which belonged to my great grandmother, with lots of photos we haven't seen before.
I'm looking for the below photos of my grandparents (both sadly deceased) to be restored if possible.
Eric & Joyce McDonald, Carlisle. I love the first image as it's like a paparazzi shot  a bit unusual, don't know the story behind it but most probably taken in Carlisle city centre.

Many thanks 

Have you checked to see if she was with grandparents?

No sign of her with grandparents but thanks for the suggestion.

A LoodGieter is Afrikaans for a plumber. I grew up in South Africa and had to learn Afrikaans at school.

Seems he got divorced in 1945.

DEPOT     TAB                                                                   
SOURCE    TPD                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
VOLUME_NO 5/658                                                                 
SYSTEM    01                                                                   
REFERENCE 294/1945                                                             
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. KATHLEEN MARY MACLAGAN (BORN CONNELLAN)       
           VERSUS NORMAN THOMAS.                                               
STARTING  19450000                                                             
ENDING    19450000

Thank you very much for this info. I wonder if he had any children..

Marital status = Geskei = Divorced
Occupation = Gieter = Watering can?!?!

  I used google lens on that and it made me chuckle.