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Stirlingshire / Re: Agnes Patrick nee Thomson, Kilsyth
« on: Monday 16 June 25 14:48 BST (UK)  »
Ah brilliant, I didn't know they were free on ScotlandsPeople thanks!

I'll have a look through those.

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Stirlingshire / Re: Agnes Patrick nee Thomson, Kilsyth
« on: Monday 16 June 25 11:32 BST (UK)  »
I found Jean Thomsons brother Neil Stevenson on ScotlandsPeople born to the same parents in Kilsyth:

Neil Stevenson
Parents: James Stevenson & Jean Finlay
7 Mar 1795
Kilsyth

Update: I just tried some wildcards in the search and others show up in Kilsyth, altering the surname to Stivenson

Robert Stivenson
Parents: James Stivenson & Jean Finlay
23 Jun 1787
Kilsyth

Jean Stivenson
Parents: James Stivenson & Jean Finlay
24 Oct 1784
Kilsyth

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Stirlingshire / Re: Agnes Patrick nee Thomson, Kilsyth
« on: Monday 16 June 25 11:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for the speedy responses.

Neale1961: Unfortunately all of the records above don't give much more information that what I have listed. The marriage record I have does not list any witnesses or sponsors sadly, here is it in full:

Patrick & Thomson - October 4th John Patrick and Agnes Thomson both residing in this parish have given their names in order to proclamation of Banns 3 Sabbath.

Thanks for finding her mother in 1851, I hadn't come across that. Good to know there's a brother and niece to research too now.

The 1866 death cert for Jean Stevenson / Thomson has this information:

Jean Thomson (Pauper)
Widow of James Stevenson (Cotton Weaver)
2 Mar 1866, Old Town Kilsyth Age: 78
Parents: James Stevenson (Cotton Weaver) & Jean Stevenson (MS: Finlay)
Signed: William Thomson (Son)

I've had a search for these parents but also struggling to find anything for them in Old Parish Marriages or Deaths

I haven't searched the Kilsyth kirk sessions as they are only accessible through FamilySearch affiliate libraries, I'm planning another visit soon once I've collected enough to search on a few family members.

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Stirlingshire / Agnes Patrick nee Thomson, Kilsyth
« on: Monday 16 June 25 03:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with an ancestor
I'm struggling to find records for, her name is Agnes Thomson
and I cannot find a baptism or birth certificate for her or her sister
Jean who is in the 1841 census, I also can’t find her sisters death record.

On Agnes’ death record her parents are marked as:
Robert Thomson (Cotton Weaver) (Deceased)
Jean Stevenson (Deceased)

I can’t find anything that lines up with these names in Kilsyth
but there is a James Thomson and Jean Stevenson Married
in 1807 in Kilsyth could Robert be a mistake in the death record?

This couple had 5 children in Kilsyth; Robert (1808) James (1810)
James (1811) William (1815) and Jean (1817)
Note: A Jean shows up here but no Agnes, Robert is also their first sons name.

The mother of these children Jean Thomson (MS: Stevenson) died
in Kilsyth aged 78 in 1886, as a widow of James Thomson (Cotton Weaver)
Parents: James Stevenson (Cotton Weaver) & Jean Finlay
Signed by her son William.

Here’s the records I have below:

My x3 Great Grandmother
Agnes Thomson
1823? - 1899

Birth 1823?
Born Kilsyth on all census records

Census 1841
Jean Thomson 55 (Widowed) (Born: 1786)
Jean Thomson 20 (Born 1821)
Agnes Thomson 18 (Born 1823)
Kilsyth, Scotland

Marriage 1845
John Patrick & Agnes Thomson
4 Oct 1845
Kilsyth, Scotland

Census 1851
John Patrick 31 (Weaver)
Agnes Patrick 30 (Sewer of Muslin)
James Patrick 6
Kilsyth, Scotland

Census 1861
John Patrick 40 (Labourer)
Agnes Patrick 37
James Patrick 14
Robert Patrick 11
Kilsyth, Scotland

Of interest, next door on same census:
Mary Thomson 58 Unmarried (Head, Tambourer)
Alexander Thomson (Son)


Census 1871
Agnes Thomson or Patrick 51 (Widow, Tambourer)
James Patrick 24
John Patrick 8
Kilsyth, Scotland

Census 1881
Agnes Patrick 56 (Formerly Weaver)
John Patrick 18 (Slater)
Kilsyth, Scotland

Census 1891
Agnes Patrick 72
Christina Robertson 77
Kilsyth, Scotland

Death 1899
Agnes Patrick 78
Widow of John Patrick
Signed: John Patrick (Son)

Parents:
Robert Thomson (Cotton Weaver) (Deceased)
Jean Stevenson (Deceased)

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Wicklow / Edward Robinson & Susan Hara, Avoca, Wicklow
« on: Wednesday 11 June 25 19:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I wondered if anyone could help me with some brick walls I have in my tree for my x3 great grandparents based in Avoca, Wicklow.

I’ve traced them back from my x2 great grandparents James Byrne & Margaret Robinsons records who both died in Scotland but were both born/baptised in Avoca, Wicklow.

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x2 Great Grandparents details:
Both baptised in Avoca, Wicklow
James Byrne 1855 Baptism - 24 Apr 1855
Margaret Robinson 1852 Baptism - 22 Aug 1852
Married 1883 - Workington, Cumberland, England
Both Died 1934: Kilsyth, Scotland

To break everything up a bit I have made a post here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=891986.msg7660411#msg7660411
for James Byrnes parents.

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Here are my records for my x3 Great
Grandparents, Margaret Robinson parents:

x3 Great Grandfather
Edward Robinson
1805 - 1880

1804 Baptism Theory - 27 May 1804
Parents: William Robinson & Bridget Kavanagh
S.S. Patrick Doran & Mary Toole
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1834 Marriage - 24 Nov 1834
Edward Robinson to Susan Hara
W. John Kearow & Sally Byrne
Avoca, Wicklow

1880 Death - 11 Oct 1880
Signed: Susan Robinson (Wife)
Aged: 75, Ballinamona, Avoca, Wicklow

Potential Siblings if baptism theory true:

1801 Baptism Bridget - 29 Jul1801
S.S. John Byrne & Joana Kealy
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1804 Baptism Edward - 27 May 1804
S.S. Patrick Doran & Mary Toole
Residence: Rossnastraut (Rosnastraw)
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1807 Baptism Robert - 7 Sep 1807
S.S. Thomas Doyle & Rose Toole
Residence: Rossnastraut (Rosnastraw)
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1809 Baptism Michael - 25 May 1809
S.S. James Heil & Sarah Toole alias Robinson
Residence: Rossnastraut (Rosnastraw)
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

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x3 Great Grandmother
Susan O’Hara
Est. 1809 - 1892

1834 Marriage - As above
Avoca, Wicklow

1892 Death - 4 Dec 1892
Signed: Kate Robinson
Aged: 83, Ballinamona, Avoca

Children with Edward:

1835 Baptism William - 28 Sep 1835
S.S. John Hara & Elizabeth Byrne

1838 Baptism Bridget - 21 Jan 1838
S.S. Patt Hara & Bidy (Bridget) Robinson

1840 Baptism John - 22 Apr 1840
S.S. Richard Byrne & Margaret Hall

1842 Baptism Michael - 9 Apr 1842
S.S. Patrick Kavanagh & Catherine Hara

1844 Baptism Anne - 22 Jun 1844
S.S. Robert Byrne & Anne Harris?

1846 Baptism Edward - 17 Nov 1846
S.S. Illegible - John Doyle? & ????

1849 Baptism Catherine - 17 Jun 1849
S.S. James Monaghan & Margaret Kavanagh

My x2 Great Grandmother:
1852 Baptism Margaret - 22 Aug 1852
S.S. Patrick Rossidor & Maria Martinn
All in Avoca, Wicklow

Death Unknown:
After 1852 (Last childs birth)

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Current Research Points:

Focusing on sponsors with the surname Hara
at baptisms above as potential relatives:

In 1835 - John Hara
In 1838 - Patt Hara
In 1842 - Catherine Hara
In 1844 -  Anne Hara

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John Hara & Mary Byrnes children born in
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland:

1825 Baptism Matt Hora - 20 Feb 1825
S.S. John Cullen & Catherine Hara
Residence: Toberpatrick, Killaveny,
Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1830 Baptism Patt Hara - 10 Jun 1830
S.S. William Daley & Honora Byrne
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1832 Baptism Thomas Hara - 21 Dec 1832
S.S. Micheal Mane? & Mary Darcy?

1839 Baptism Catherine Hara - 22 Mar 1839
S.S. Mich Darcy? Biddy Hara
Residence: Toberpatrick, Killaveny,
Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

1842 Baptism Ann Hara - 3 Apr 1842
S.S. Illegible
Killaveny, Wexford and Wicklow, Ireland

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I’ve tried to keep this as brief as possible but I’ve had my head in records for a few days now and could use fresh eyes!

I've also attached a text document that includes links to the records above.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Wicklow / Myles Byrne & Honora Carty, Avoca, Wicklow
« on: Wednesday 11 June 25 19:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I wondered if anyone could help me with some brick walls I have in my tree for my x3 great grandparents based in Avoca, Wicklow.

I’ve traced them back from my x2 great grandparents James Byrne & Margaret Robinsons records who both died in Scotland but were both born/baptised in Avoca, Wicklow.

—————

x2 Great Grandparents details:
Both baptised in Avoca, Wicklow
James Byrne 1855 Baptism - 24 Apr 1855
Margaret Robinson 1852 Baptism - 22 Aug 1852
Married 1883 - Workington, Cumberland, England
Both Died 1934: Kilsyth, Scotland

To break everything up a bit I have made a post here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=891987.new#new
for Margaret Robinsons parents.

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Here are my records for my x3 Great Grandparents, James Byrnes parents:

x3 Great Grandfather
Myles Byrne
Est. 1827 - ????

1848 Marriage - 27 Nov 1848
Myles Byrne to Honor Carty
S.S. Eliz? Carty & Mary Keogh
Residence: Crone, Wicklow
Rathdrum, Wicklow, Ireland

Note: Crone More & Beg border
Cronesallagh, near Avoca

Death Unknown:
After 1871 (Last childs birth in Kilcashel, Avoca)

&

x3 Great Grandmother
Honora Carty
Est. 1827 - ????

1848 Marriage - 27 Nov 1848
Residence: Crone, Wicklow
Rathdrum, Wicklow, Ireland

Children with Myles Byrne:
1849 Baptism Mary - 25 Nov 1849
S.S. Patrick Kavanagh & Cath Owens?
Residence: Cronesellagh

1851 Baptism ? (Illegible) - 14 Dec 1851
S.S. Lewis Hall & Mary Anne Murray?
Residence: Cronesellagh

1853 Baptism Timothy - 31 Jul 1853
S.S. Andrew Conway & Anne Hall

My x2 Great Grandfather:
1855 Baptism James - 24 Apr 1855
S.S. Michael Hogan & Mary Carty

1857 Baptism Julia - 2 Jul 1857
S.S John Carty & Catherine Carty

1861 Baptism Edward - 29 Dec 1861
S.S. Hugh & Ellen Fleming

1866 Baptism Terence - 22 May 1866
S.S John Carthy & Margaret Carthy

1869 Baptism Honor - 15 Jul 1869
S.S Gulielmo (William) Murphy & Ellen Carty
Residence: Kilcashel

1871 Baptism Bridget Mary - 16 Apr 1871
S.S Felice Keogh & Maria Keogh
Residence: Kilcashel

Death Unknown:
After 1871 (Last childs birth in Kilcashel, Avoca)

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Current Research Points:

Focusing on sponsors with the surname Carty
at baptisms above as potential relatives:

In 1855 - Mary Carty
In 1857 - John Carty & Catherine Carty
In 1866 - John Carty & Margaret Carty
In 1869 - Ellen Carty

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Findings so far:

#1 John & Margaret Carty
Had children of the same names born in Avoca, Wicklow

1850 Baptism Mary - 6 Jun 1850
1852 Baptism John - 9 May 1852
1855 Baptism Ellen - 11 Mar 1855
1857 Baptism Margaret - 30 Apr 1857


#2 John & Catherine Carty

1838 Baptism Johns Sister Mary - ?? Sep 1838
Parents: Thomas Carty & Margaret Carty
S.S. Patrick Lambert & Mary Carty
Residence: Crone Beg, Ballykine, Wicklow

1842 Baptism John Carty
Parents: Thomas Carty & Margaret Carty
S.S. John Doyle & Ellen Carty
Residence: Crone, Ballykine, Wicklow

1864 Marriage - 2nd Record - 11 Apr 1864
John Carty & Cathrine Murray
Johns Father: Thomas Carty
S.S. Margret Holdman & Esther (Etty) Murphy

This couple has a daughter:
1865 Baptism Anne - 21 Oct 1865
Parents: John Carty & Cathrine Murphy
S.S. John Robisson & Esther Murphy

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I’ve tried to keep this as brief as possible but I’ve had my head in records for a few days now and could use fresh eyes!

I've also attached a text document that includes links to the records above.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Hey Shellyesq,

Thanks for the reply, looks like I may need to run two lines of research for the Michigan theory and if they were based in New York City throughout their time in the US.

I have been searching through passenger lists for the last few days and I'm pretty stumped on when Mary left with her daughters as there doesn't seem to be anything showing up within that window so you may be right that she left earlier.

 I haven't looked in to anything on James' estate, I will admit I'm not too clued up on wills and probate records as I have not researched these before. Would I find this using the year of his death or would I need to know when he wrote a will?

Thanks for all of your help so far, it's been a boon!

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Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has any advice on finding more records of my x2 great grandparents who lived in Manhattan, New York. They were both born in Ireland and I have records for Marys parents and her siblings that were born in Ballycastle, Northern Ireland.

I have listed the records I have below of their time in New York, Marys husband James Henry was a Horse groom and holster who died of insolation in the Aug 1896 heat wave in New York and Mary was re-married in Scotland a year later in Jun 1897.

So I know that Mary departed New York sometime between Aug 1896 - Jun 1897 to travel to Scotland with her two daughters, would there be a way of determining which port she may have took back and finding departure lists?

I also wondered if there would be immigration records or possible naturalization records for the couple, on James Henrys death certificate it states 11 years in US (Since 1885) this may have been a guess by the person who wrote the death certificate but I wondered if it could help source an arrival date?

The couple were married since their first child's Fannys birth in 1887/8 so I don't know if they were married in the US or Ireland, one theory I have that a Roots Chat member found would be this 1887 marriage in Allendale, Ottawa, Michigan: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3NZ-45N?lang=en which lists Marys birthplace as Ballycastle, Ireland and the couple are similar ages to other records.

Again if this theory was true, which port would they have arrived at from Northern Ireland to arrive in Michigan or would this have been a Canadian port?

Here are my records to date:

Mary Welsh (Also spelled Walsh / Welch)
Married Name: Henry (Also spelled Henery / Hendry)
Born: Ireland, Ballycastle or Derry/Londonderry (In Poor Law Record, Scotland)
Between 1868-1872

1887/8 Daughter Fanny Born (My great grandmother)
Can’t find birth cert, marked born in New York in other records in Scotland.
Name also shows up as Fanny / Frances
Death record birthdate: 29 Nov 1888

1890 Daughter Annie Born
Have birth certificate with the details
Father: James Henry, Born: Ireland, Age: 30, Occupation: Groom (Horses)
Mother Mary Welsh, Born: Ireland, Age: 21
Number of child of mother/living: 2 (Would be Fanny and Annie)
Residence: 316 E 33rd, Manhattan, New York

1890 NY Police Census
James Henery 28
Mary Henery 22
Fanny Henery 3
Annie Henery 8 months
Residence: 316 E 33rd, Manhattan, New York

1896 Husband Died
Have record, died of insolation in heat wave
Occupation: Holster (Horses)
James Henry, Age: 41
Born: Ireland,  How long in US: 11 Years (Since 1885)
Aug 1896 in Manhattan

Travelled with her two daughters Fanny and Annie
from New York to Scotland between 1896 - 1897


Re-married in Wishaw, Scotland Jun 1897
Have all census records and some Poor Law Applications for her
Died in Motherwell, Scotland May 1944 Aged 72 (Born: 1872)

James Henry
(Also spelled Henery / Hendry)
Born: Ireland
Between 1855-1862
Died Aug 1896 (All other details above)

My earlier post on this family can be found here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=883330.0

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks for taking the time to read through.
Kris



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United States of America / Re: Allendale, Ottawa, Michigan Wedding Certificate 1887
« on: Tuesday 12 November 24 14:20 GMT (UK)  »
These are great resources shellyesq thank you for the links, I think you are correct about the John L. Bush connection. Having a look now to see if I can source any church records for that church.

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