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Shanreagh, An interesting thought, sort of John Walgrave H Fremantle, Lord Cottesloe 1900-84, certainly in the right pocket money range.  Thank you.

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Thank you Softly Softly & Milliepede.

Interesting connection with Whitehaven & Jane & Rachael. I had not considered Madge.
I have 4 kids listed with Jane but nothing with Rachael or Hannah.
There is another Hugh marrying in co durham in 53, but he is younger. He could be the one married to Hannah, but the occupations and ages in the census don't line up properly.
The young death of Edward lines up age wise.
The 2 daughters Mary Jane & liz. I have hit a wall. there are 2 Mary Jane weddings about the right age but they are confirmed different parents.
I suspect a grave stone somewhere has all the answers.


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An update on the saga,
Babby Coysh was the nickname of Com. Humphry Coysh's (1899-1969) wife, Genevieve Stone  -1974)
Mr V.E. (Victor Edward) Flowerday (1902-1991) 
Lord Amherst   (1896 -1993)
Mr T.W. Morton (Theordore William) (1905-1974)
Mr Frederick Arthur White (1901-1953)
Mrs Lois Olive White (nee.Russell) (1899-1999)
Mr. Sydney Francis Emanuel (Major), (1903-1984)

Still missing that one signature.


Mr Ian Charles Macgilchrist (1906-1933) (Late chairman of BANCO)
Capt Arthur Jack Styran  (1890-1933) (Late pilot and director of BANCO)

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I have Hugh Clements (clemont, clemens, clemints) b. 1825  whitehaven, cumbria to Edward & Mary Ann.
He married Jane Hutchison abt.1848 and is listed in 1841 cen as coal miner in ferry hill, Durham. 
A wedding (as Clemints) in 1859 st andrews aukland, to Rachael Madgan (also of whitehaven)
1871 cen, as a fruit dealer, West Cornforth.
Rachael died between the '81 & '91 census.
As '91 shows Hugh (Clemons) with wife Hannah, of Hetton le Hole, in West Rainton. 
Hugh died in 1900 at Lanchester.
I'm looking for Jane, Rachael & Hannahs deaths.  along with Hannahs maiden name & wedding.
I have had no joy with freebmd, Family Search, FindMyPast, Ancestry or Find a Grave.

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The research has been on going for only a couple of months. In that time we have uncovered a lot of info on people and planes of BANCo, which has been shared with some historic aviation sites specific to that era.
The engraved aircraft registrations on the case are part of the BANCo fleet not all.
If it were ground or office staff, it would be all their aircraft, unless they had joy rides on these specific ones. Heston was their main hub and a lot of the flights were air taxi for the press as well as the casino/races runs to Le Touquet & Deauville, it could have been given to a loyal business customer.
"Charlie" may remain a mystery for now, but its early days, no different from researching the family trees. (Stalled one day, resolved another, hopefully!) Someone may find this thread in a couple of years and add the missing pieces.. or laugh.
Meanwhile there is a 20 page story & pics (Provenance?) to go with the 90year old cig case which gives it some life.

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Hello J.J.
The handwriting expertise is what I am seeking in this forum. Giving its a "Nobs" hobby, theres a chance the surname will be obscure.

Capt Charles Bernard did fly with BANCo who used his Famous Fokker "spyder" but his dates with the India Air Circus and the lack of the Fokkers reg on the case takes him out of the running.

There were a couple of C.B. Wilson aviators. An Army Capt Charles B Wilson M.C. & RAF Flt lt Charles Bernard Wilson that I know of. Although theres a few Charles Bernard Wilsons around at the time.
F.A. White, was a Lloyds underwriter, when he got his pilots licence from the Royal Aero Club Dec '29. then in the RAF Accounts dept during WW2. The divorce articles mentions happy marriage until Lois's "infatuation" with Bandon in '42. F.A. continued with the B.A.O.R. in 46 and died in Kenya in the early 50's.   
Lois White got her R.A.C. wings, also at Hanworth club and in a DH cirrus moth III in Sept '30.

I can see nothing in R.A.C. or British newspaper archives, for the possible Barbara (Babby) or Robert (Bobby) Coysh.

The collecting of Traffic Managers is a new one for me. Is that the start of the national Air Traffic Control?

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Well spotted Shaun and a lot more info there,
Its a good source of info for the aviation side.
  afleetingpeace.org   for the golden age of flying.
  airhistory.org.uk   for the aircraft registrations. 
  gracesguide.co.uk/1933_Who%27s_Who_in_British_Aviation   for the people.
  Internet archive: Flight internationals   for the stories.
  British newspaper archive    for the weddings & court cases & BANCo adverts.
  The Gazette    for official appointments & bankrupts.
  unithistories.com   for WW2 positions.
  Airlinehistory.co.uk  for the logo & info
  various sources for the pictures of the actual aircraft involved.

This cigarette case has become the classic 5 minute job, with more than a few surprises along the way.
And were still not sure who Charlie is!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Saturday 30 November 24 16:50 GMT (UK)  »
Caters & Easterbrook? Too short & long respectively.
Also they failed to show any aviation related searches.

We have another question.
what we think is Bobby Coysh may be Babby Coysh?
Comm Humphrey Cecil Coysh had a sister, Barbara D. Coysh.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Saturday 30 November 24 10:29 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all,
 I will have to try and source a copy of The Aeroplane, Vol 47, page 260.
The list of planes on the case are mostly 3 seaters (Pilot +2) apart from the Dh84 dragon & the tri-motor so no capacity of a page. Also the list on that case is only part of the BANCo fleet. One of the listed is owned by Mr Hayter.
Of the list of names I have for BANCo so far, Spinner, Chamberlain & the page Charlie are new.
I also have:
        S.J. Dupe (mechanical staff),
        I.C. Macglichrist (chairman),
        A.J. Styran,(Pilot & partner)   
        Flt-Lt John George Denholm Armour,(pilot)
   Capt C.D. Barnard.(pilot)
   S M Ferguson,F (pilot)
   F/O Herbert Cecil Douglas Rex Hayter (pilot & plane owner)
   Capt Newman  (pilot)
   Mr. L.J. Rimmer, (Lancelot John) (pilot)
   Capt Nevil Stack (Not sure is part of BANCO)(pilot & all round celebrity)
   Mr Sydney Lane Foster St Barbe (pilot)
   Mr Nigel.T. Tangye (pilot & famed author)
   LS Whicher,(pilot)
   Mr. C.B. Wilson (pilot)
As well as the case names.

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