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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Monday 02 December 24 08:23 GMT (UK)  »
The research has been on going for only a couple of months. In that time we have uncovered a lot of info on people and planes of BANCo, which has been shared with some historic aviation sites specific to that era.
The engraved aircraft registrations on the case are part of the BANCo fleet not all.
If it were ground or office staff, it would be all their aircraft, unless they had joy rides on these specific ones. Heston was their main hub and a lot of the flights were air taxi for the press as well as the casino/races runs to Le Touquet & Deauville, it could have been given to a loyal business customer.
"Charlie" may remain a mystery for now, but its early days, no different from researching the family trees. (Stalled one day, resolved another, hopefully!) Someone may find this thread in a couple of years and add the missing pieces.. or laugh.
Meanwhile there is a 20 page story & pics (Provenance?) to go with the 90year old cig case which gives it some life.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Sunday 01 December 24 11:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hello J.J.
The handwriting expertise is what I am seeking in this forum. Giving its a "Nobs" hobby, theres a chance the surname will be obscure.

Capt Charles Bernard did fly with BANCo who used his Famous Fokker "spyder" but his dates with the India Air Circus and the lack of the Fokkers reg on the case takes him out of the running.

There were a couple of C.B. Wilson aviators. An Army Capt Charles B Wilson M.C. & RAF Flt lt Charles Bernard Wilson that I know of. Although theres a few Charles Bernard Wilsons around at the time.
F.A. White, was a Lloyds underwriter, when he got his pilots licence from the Royal Aero Club Dec '29. then in the RAF Accounts dept during WW2. The divorce articles mentions happy marriage until Lois's "infatuation" with Bandon in '42. F.A. continued with the B.A.O.R. in 46 and died in Kenya in the early 50's.   
Lois White got her R.A.C. wings, also at Hanworth club and in a DH cirrus moth III in Sept '30.

I can see nothing in R.A.C. or British newspaper archives, for the possible Barbara (Babby) or Robert (Bobby) Coysh.

The collecting of Traffic Managers is a new one for me. Is that the start of the national Air Traffic Control?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Sunday 01 December 24 09:35 GMT (UK)  »
Well spotted Shaun and a lot more info there,
Its a good source of info for the aviation side.
  afleetingpeace.org   for the golden age of flying.
  airhistory.org.uk   for the aircraft registrations. 
  gracesguide.co.uk/1933_Who%27s_Who_in_British_Aviation   for the people.
  Internet archive: Flight internationals   for the stories.
  British newspaper archive    for the weddings & court cases & BANCo adverts.
  The Gazette    for official appointments & bankrupts.
  unithistories.com   for WW2 positions.
  Airlinehistory.co.uk  for the logo & info
  various sources for the pictures of the actual aircraft involved.

This cigarette case has become the classic 5 minute job, with more than a few surprises along the way.
And were still not sure who Charlie is!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Saturday 30 November 24 16:50 GMT (UK)  »
Caters & Easterbrook? Too short & long respectively.
Also they failed to show any aviation related searches.

We have another question.
what we think is Bobby Coysh may be Babby Coysh?
Comm Humphrey Cecil Coysh had a sister, Barbara D. Coysh.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Saturday 30 November 24 10:29 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all,
 I will have to try and source a copy of The Aeroplane, Vol 47, page 260.
The list of planes on the case are mostly 3 seaters (Pilot +2) apart from the Dh84 dragon & the tri-motor so no capacity of a page. Also the list on that case is only part of the BANCo fleet. One of the listed is owned by Mr Hayter.
Of the list of names I have for BANCo so far, Spinner, Chamberlain & the page Charlie are new.
I also have:
        S.J. Dupe (mechanical staff),
        I.C. Macglichrist (chairman),
        A.J. Styran,(Pilot & partner)   
        Flt-Lt John George Denholm Armour,(pilot)
   Capt C.D. Barnard.(pilot)
   S M Ferguson,F (pilot)
   F/O Herbert Cecil Douglas Rex Hayter (pilot & plane owner)
   Capt Newman  (pilot)
   Mr. L.J. Rimmer, (Lancelot John) (pilot)
   Capt Nevil Stack (Not sure is part of BANCO)(pilot & all round celebrity)
   Mr Sydney Lane Foster St Barbe (pilot)
   Mr Nigel.T. Tangye (pilot & famed author)
   LS Whicher,(pilot)
   Mr. C.B. Wilson (pilot)
As well as the case names.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Friday 29 November 24 10:21 GMT (UK)  »
Forgot to add the bigger pic!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1934 BANCo cigarette case signature search
« on: Friday 29 November 24 10:18 GMT (UK)  »
We have been researching 9 signatures on a cigarette case gifted to a pilot of the British Air Navigation Company in 1934, the flip side shows a list of British Aircraft Registrations that they flew. The company operated from 1932 to '35 and folded in '37.
There is one signature that eludes us. It starts J.A. or I.A. or even H. None of the usual surnames seem to line up with the signature.

3 of the other signatures are of note:
 Lord Emherst. Journalist, Pilot & Director of B.E.A. in the 1960's
 T.W. Morton. Flew the Croydon-Le-Bourget run with Amy Johnston, Chief test pilot for LAP Halifax production during WW2 & started Morton Air service in 1945.
 V.E. Flowerday. B.A. pilot that brought Chamberlain, & his piece of paper, back from Munich, Squadron Leader & OBE.   

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Alexander Stronach of Drainie abt 1795 - bfr 1857
« on: Friday 29 November 24 09:51 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Moragdon,
I have a copy of them, but it does not fit with the certs I have for the rest of the tree.
Cheers

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Alexander Stronach of Drainie abt 1795 - bfr 1857
« on: Sunday 16 June 24 20:01 BST (UK)  »
Cheers again Forfarian,
Ancestry suggests Barbara Sim as the potential parent but I have had a fair number of those "potentials" to be wrong, once you collect the various BMD & cen. As you say this far back its common for entries to be missing so there maybe another A.S. couple in the Elgin shadows.
Isabella Sinclair I am happy with and her parents.
Alexandrina m cert in '59 and Isabella Sinclair d cert '57. lists Alex as deceased.
I have still to expand the other kids BMD's and will keep an eye out for the witnesses.
If they have stuck with the tradition of grandparents names then Will & Janet are the right couple.
I have found a few parish in my searches without any death records before '55 or only a gravestone for reference.. The Shee's in King Edward are a fine example of that.

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