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the persons mentioned are also my direct ancestors. They and the other people mentioned in the thread are all in my tree on Ancestry, with DNA, & on Find My Past. I have found lots of documents on both sites plus things found by others & shared. This includes all the wills the other respondent mentioned. I have downloaded the pages from FindMyPast & uploaded to Ancestry. If you search for Jesson & Orton on Ancestry you will surely find my tree. If you have done DNA you should come up as a match to me. In some documents its hard to read the writing & there is no transcription for any of wills. Shame no has had time to do one privately. I also have found no marriage record for John Jesson & Frances Orton. It will most likely be a Quaker meeting record & possibly under Twycross as some other Leicestershire Quaker marriages & baptisms have been recorded as at Twycross. but given the impronment of many Quakers including the Orton family in about 1660 families may have hidden their non-conformist beliefs by attending CofE services. RC families also did this to avoid persecution, imprisonment & death.  Mugleston (various spellings) were another prominent Quaker family described as "of Swannington" in one private document. But mine are in Breedon on the Hill - or rather seem to own land at Wilson & Tonge - both in the parish of Breedon on the Hill. Remember some of these "close to the county border" places have com eunder Derbyshire instead of Leicestershire at times. So worth looking at church records in both counties. NB if anyone in my tree has multiple or NEEDS PROOF - then do NOT copy them as they are subject to further research & may change daily.

William Santry & Mary or Mary Ann Donovan are my 3 x great grandparents. Residence 1834  Garangoleen, Kilkerranmore, Cork, Ireland. Their daughter Mary baptised 15 August 1821 Carhoo or Carhue , residence Garangoleen near Clonakilty. Marries Florence McCarthy of Garralacka near Clonakilty 28 Jan 1843. I have a number of Irish DNA matches that Ancestry keeps offering up with wrong common ancestors due to so many trees being wrong. Can anyone help with a true line of ancestors for the Mary or Mary Ann Donovan and William Santry please? The witnesses at their wedding are Richard Donovan and Michael Santry. Could be the fathers or uncles or brothers of the bride and groom. The ancestors need to have lived within a 15 mile radius of Clonakilty, probably even closer,  not from far flown parts of West Cork county or even from Cork city. They are likely to be farmers but the witness Michael Santry might have been a blacksmith as the Santry family were known for this craft as well as for farming. I have only one Santry DNA match and she comes from a later generation in USA so any contact from any living Santry family is most welcome. I know there are a lot around Clonakilty. So far I can not put any of the Irish DNA matches in the group of Donovan. Donovan also intermarried with McCarthy including McCarthy Guidagh / Gaibdeach who are the branch of McCarthy who farmed at Garralacka just west of Clonakilty. Trees with proven documentation are needed please. I can prove my McCarthy around Clonakilty back to around 1750 with good documentation & with DNA as part of the McCarthy DNA Project. Thanks in anticipation.

John Coltman goes on to be a woolen and linen draper & takes on his own apprentice in Leicestershire. How did he get to be apprenticed to Thomas Hunt? Is John related to Mary Coltman born about 1755 Gilmorton Leicestershire buried 29 Dec 1816 Walton in Knaptoft Leics. who was the mother of Ann Moore who married in Leicester my 3 x great grandfather Thomas Hunt also a woolsorter. My 4 x gt grandfather also Thomas Hunt can not be the same person as the woolsorter taking on John Coltman in Knighton as he was busy being a dyer in Thornton Lane Leicester & having many children. Surely someone has sorted out all these Hunt families in Leicestershire ? Someone with DNA on their tree to prove the relationships are correct ?

It looks to me as though it's likely that your Thomas b 1786 was the son of Thomas And Esther (Irish). Esther was used as a family name in subsequent generations.

He married Ann Moore and I can't see any burial for her so unless you have convincing evidence of descent from Ann Gilbert, that second marriage may not have been him.

I can't see any 1810 baptism for Esther

I HAVE ONE. BUT IT ONLY GIVE THE FATHER'S NAME OF THOMAS HUNT. IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE THOMAS HUNT WHO MARRIED ANN MOORE IN 1810 ARE THE PARENTS OF THIS ESTHER WHO GOES TO PRISON WITHA THOMAS HUNT - THEY SEEM TO BE SIBLINGS. YES I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT FAMILIS. BUT HOW? IT NEEDS PROOF.

but there is one in 1819 so I think it unlikely that any 1810 Esther was his. His children Ann and James survived; others - Thomas, Esther (1819), Sarah and John were buried as children. I can't see anything from newspaper reports to link the felonious Esther and Thomas Hunt to this family.

If you've got proof of another Esther baptism, descent from Ann Gilbert etc, please let us have a look so we can see if it helps clarify this

I am trying to sort out the correct parents and correct wives for Thomas Hunt my 3 x great grandfather who was definitely a WOOLSORTER who died in Regent Street Loughborough 1856. He definitely married Ann Gilbert 14 March 1819 Leicester & had Esther 1819 & James 1825 both in Loughborough. But was he previously married to Ann Moore 1 Oct 1810 St Nicholas Leicester and had Esther 1810, Ann 1815 & Thomas 1817 all in Leicester? In the 1851 census Loughborough Ann 1815 is Ann Howkins & is visitng with her daughter Sarah Ann Hawkins 1846, but having had an illigimate daughter Esther Ann 1836 who is brought up by her Hunt grandparents. But why 2 wives both called Ann? And why 2 daughters both called Esther? Esther 1810 and her brother Thomas 1819 seem to go to prison for larceny. OR ARE THERE 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT Hunt families mixed up here? I have dna matches to many descendants of Thomas Hunt 1786 and Ann Gilbert & a few dna matches to descendants of his sister Mary Hunt 1794 who marries James Clark loomhand. ALSO UNCERTAIN are the correct parents for Thomas Hunt - Esther Irish also gives dna matches but which thomas Hunt did she marry? Was it Thomas Hunt baptised 21 June 1760 parents Joseph and Mary? Was that Thomas Hunt buried 28 March 1830 age 70? He seemd to live in Thornton Lane, i.e vanished Leicester. Its possible his brother John also lived in Thornton Lane.  Esther is buried Q2 1842 the widow of Thomas Hunt dyer. But some people believe this Thomas is the son of Thomas and Alice born 1757 in Loughborough and removed to Glenfield age 3 weeks in July 1757. Thomas Hunt 1757 is apprenticed as a gardener in 1768 age 11 but seems to become a dyer after he has done 10 years apprenticeship. Or ARE THERE 2 DIFFERENT MEN ? Another alternative is that yet another Thomas Hunt also a WOOLSORTER is of the right age to be the parent of Thomas Hunt 1760, this man apprentices John Colman 29 September 1792 in Knighton, Leicestershire. Surely a woolsorter is a more likely occupation for a son to follow in his father's trade? I really need people with dna matches who also have a proper researched tree online so that we can sort out a lot of men woith the same name who are probably distant cousins of each other but are currently muddle sin a lot of trees on Ancestry. If people can see trees on Ancestry please look for Josephine Salt Tree APRIL 2021. I'm happy to make alternations or corrections but need dna matches that will prove we have the correct lines.