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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Friday 10 May 24 03:08 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Thursday 09 May 24 00:06 BST (UK)
Yes, I do have to correct my mistake.
Your Margaret Ross WAS the daughter of Lewis ROSS and Jane EWEN
She was born 16 Oct 1839 in Kincardine O’Neil

What had me confused, and why I had dismissed her, was her death certificate, details as follows:-

21st April 1904 Hillhead, Seaton, Old Aberdeen
Margaret Ross (housekeeper, single), age 53 years.
Father – Lewis Ross, crofter, deceased
Mother – Jeanie Ross, maiden name Ewen, deceased
Informant present at death – Elizabeth Cruikshank, daughter, Leadside Rd Aberdeen

Margaret’s age is out by over 10 years, & I did not know about her daughter Elizabeth.
Elizabeth does not appear in the census with her mother at any stage, because she was adopted out to the Grant family in Newmachar. Obviously ELizabeth still had contact with her biological mother.


Elizabeth ROSS (illegitimate) was born 17 July 1876 at Cothal Mill, Fintray.
Mother was Margaret Ross, domestic servant.

1881 census, Mossside cottage, Newmachar
Robert Grant, 35, Agricultural labourer, born Clatt
Jean Grant, 29, wife born Auchterless
Elizabeth Ross, 3, adopted child born Fintray

1891 census, Mossside, Newmachar
Robert Grant, 46, ground officer, born Clatt Aberdeen
Jane Grant, 7, daughter born New Marchar
Elizabeth Ross, 14, domestic servant, born Fintray

In 1901 census Banchory Ternan, Kincardineshire
Elizabeth Ross 22 servant born in Fintray is working for the Donald family. She has with her a 1 yr old child, Georgina E.N. Ross born Aberdeen. (That child died in 1902.)


Elizabeth ROSS (domestic servant) married 31 Dec 1903 in Aberdeen to Gilbert CRUICKSHANK (railway carter).
Her parents are named Margaret ROSS (domestic servant), father __________

Looks like there were 3 children born to this marriage:
 - William 1904,
 - Susan Anabella 1906,
 - Elizabeth 1907- died 15 months.


Elizabeth CRUICKSHANK ROSS death, age 32, in 1909 in Newhills.


I assume James Robertson ROSS must have known Elizabeth, his ½ sister?

That is AMAZING! I definitely didn’t know about the half sister so I’m not sure if that was open family information.  Very cool to add that to the storyline!

I really appreciate what you’ve done for us. Thank you :) this is just the colour and clarity we had been hoping for.

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 10:30 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Wednesday 08 May 24 06:08 BST (UK)
Quote from: tapi on Tuesday 07 May 24 13:46 BST (UK)
It looks like Minmore house is now a hotel so I think we will plan to spend a night there when we visit!
It was a hotel until 2009, but, as the description on the photograph says, it no longer is.

Ah that’s too bad - there is an active website but that must just be old. Thanks for the information!

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 04:09 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Wednesday 08 May 24 02:50 BST (UK)
Quote from: Neale1961 on Tuesday 07 May 24 06:20 BST (UK)
Looking at the 1881 census for Aberdeen, I can see 2 possible John Crombies, both unmarried.

John Crombie age 32, living in Belhelvie, a farmer’s son, born in Echt.

John Crombie, Age 35, living in old Machar, a general labourer, born in Belhelvie.

Hello again tapi.    I have looked more at these 2 men as potential fathers.
Since the John Crombie born in Echt seems to be fully employed working on his father’s rather large farm in Belhlevie in all census records, I think we can eliminate him.

I believe the most likely father for your James Ross is John Crombie born Belhelvie in 1840.
DNA matching would be the only way to be certain.

In 1871 census this John Crombie is working as an agricultural labourer on Milton farm in Kemnay.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59026cd3e9379091b1e34ba4/john-crombie-1871-aberdeenshire-kemnay-1841-?locale=en
[click on links to open census]

His older brothers (James and George) were also working as farm labourers in the local area throughout the census records. His father’s farm was quite small, and was probably not enough to support all those sons.

His parents were James CROMBIE and Jane BOOTH

His baptism record is on Scotlands People
CROMBIE,     JOHN REID   
parents - JAMES CROMBIE  / JANE BOOTH   
M   01/08/1840   174   40 / 76   BELHELVIE


John CROMBIE died in 1917 (age 76) in Rubislaw.


This is the Crombie family in 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a13fc1ef4040b9d6edf62e6/james-crombie-1841-aberdeenshire-belhelvie-1804-?locale=en

The mother Jean / Jane BOOTH died 20 Oct 1849 in Belhelvie (age 43)

This is the Crombie family in 1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902654ee9379091b1c44a58/james-crombie-1851-aberdeenshire-belhelvie-1806-?locale=en

James CROMBIE re-married in 1852 to Barbara MEANS and had a second family…..

1861 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/590268cce9379091b1d29a43/james-crombie-1861-aberdeenshire-belhelvie-1805-?locale=en

1871 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59026c73e9379091b1e1b685/james-crombie-1871-aberdeenshire-belhelvie-1805-?locale=en

James Crombie grave in Belhelvie
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150366774/james-crombie

This is so amazing - thank you so much for these efforts! It means a lot.

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 04:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Wednesday 08 May 24 02:53 BST (UK)
I’m not sure what information you have for Margaret Ross. You may already have all of this.

Margaret Robertson ROSS born 1842 Kincardine O'Neil
Daughter of William ROSS and Margaret SMITH

That is actually a very interesting discovery. I have been working starting with names and dates as provided to my dad by Hazel Ross who married John Ross, who was the son of James Robertson Ross and Isabella Sheret. My dad believes, heavy emphasis on believes, that she got the information from James Ross before he passed.

I didn’t do very much digging into Margaret because I was told that she was born October 16 1839 and there is a Margaret Ross born October 16 1839 in that same parish. I happily traced her up through Lewis Ross, which matches what the family tree details provided to me were, and off I went.

However, it makes a lot of sense to me that the Margaret Robertson Ross you found would be the father of James Robertson Ross. That just seems logical.  I never could figure out where the Robertson came from - there’s no Robertson in the Lewis Ross line.

I have been more interested in tracing the lineage than exactly when people passed away, so I never looked up a death certificate. I have James and Isabella’s marriage certificate and it says his mom Margaret has passed by the time they are married in 1906. 

I can’t find a Margaret Ross of the right age for either woman with a death certificate. I was hoping to be able to nail down which it was with the knowledge that the correct one was deceased by December 1906.

Thanks for this! The plot thickens!

Brooke

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 13:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Tuesday 07 May 24 13:38 BST (UK)
I see that in 1901 he was one of 16 young men living in a bothy at Minmore - 9 of them farm servants and 7 of them, including your James Ross, carters at a distillery. Minmore House was a property of the Earl of Seafield. In 1895 the tenant and occupier was John G Smith, and in 1905 it was George Smith Grant.

George Smith Grant (1845-1911) was the proprietor of The Glenlivet Distillery. He was the son of William Grant and Margaret Smith. Margaret Smith (1820-1880) was the daughter of George Smith, the founder of The Glenlivet Distillery. Her brother John Gordon Smith (1825-1901) inherited, but he did not marry so on his death the property passed to his nephew. The family graves are at the Chapel of the Incarnation at Tombae in Glen Livet.

Photographs Minmore https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=211225662

In 1881 James Ross and his mother were at Pitmillan in the parish of Foveran https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9724 but I am not sure exactly where he was in 1891.

Thank you! It looks like Minmore house is now a hotel so I think we will plan to spend a night there when we visit!

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 12:21 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Tuesday 07 May 24 05:49 BST (UK)
There is a register of corrected entries attached to his birth certificate.

It names his father as John CROMBIE, farm servant, Kinghorn, Newmachar.

His mother is recorded as Margaret ROSS, domestic servant, Ross Hall, Newmachar.

- dated 20 February 1879; District of Kintone, Aberdeen.

It looks like he has 2 birth certificates- one has the 2 corrections attached. I stopped at the first and absolutely missed this. Thank you so much!

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / Re: James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 11:57 BST (UK)  »
First of all: wow! You guys are amazing!

I got as far as the 1906 marriage certificate which lists his mother (deceased) and no father.

Thank you!

I am planning a trip to Scotland from Canada with my dad to see all the places our family is from. I really appreciate this help in piecing the story together (and telling fact from fiction!).  On the plus side, we did know that James was working at a distillery prior to his marriage. I expanded my 1901 census search past Kincardine and Aberdeen and managed to find him last night - James Ross was working and living at Glenlivet in 1901 so we’ll be forced to go there too for a tour  :D

I’m genuinely thankful for your time and effort!

Brooke

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Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests / James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 03:58 BST (UK)  »
My great grandfather James Robertson Ross was born in 1878 and baptized in the Parish of Fintray in Aberdeenshire to an unwed mother, Margaret Ross. The family tale is that the father was a man named John Crombie and that she had in some manner petitioned that he be listed as father. I’m not sure if there would be such things as court records. The trouble is a lot of our family tales are vague versions of the truth so whether she actually did something formal I couldnt say, but I’d like to be able to! I do know there are several John Crombies in the area at the time, so it’s a name that exists. I also know that as of the 1891 census she is living with young James as a domestic servant to a John McKnight with his daughters. I’m keen to know the story of his parentage if such a thing is possible. I lose track of him in the 1901 census (too many James Rosses!) and then he immigrated to Canada with his wife Isabella Sheret. I’m interested in putting as much of his story together as I can

Thanks for any tips :)

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Kincardineshire / Re: Benholm Kirkyard & OPR
« on: Saturday 04 May 24 23:05 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: gstewart on Tuesday 29 August 17 13:41 BST (UK)
Good to hear that, Jill!

Margaret Duthie and John Sheret had several children: William Duthie 1869-1948, Mary 1870-1871, Margaret 1872-1934, Agnes Craig 1877-1942, Ellen Elizabeth 1879-1900, Edward 1881-1943, Joan 1883-1953, James 1886-1915, and Isabella 1886-1976. The last of these, Isabella, emigrated to Canada.

Best wishes,
Gordon

Isabella Sheret was my great grandmother. So far I think I’ve got that line of the Sherets sourced back to Andrew Sherat/Shearit who had a John and James Shearet in 1631 and 1634 respectively. The list of chosen first names really was a short one, all the way down to my father who is also a James…

Brooke

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