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Messages - Christine Cramer

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Australia / Re: Staff Sergeant William Vivian
« on: Saturday 26 April 25 05:40 BST (UK)  »
Johnson Vivian was a native of Camborne in Cornwall and had been living in Mannum for six and a half years before his death in 1917 (source:  Trove obituary).  He emigrated to Queensland in 1870 and lived there briefly before moving to Moonta where his son (the staff sergeant) was born.

John Peter Vivian (father of the three WW1 brothers) died in Mannum in 1922.  According to his Trove obituary, his father James Peter Vivian arrived in Sydney as a free settler on the ship Navarino (port of origin Gravesend in Kent, England) afterwards travelling overland with sheep to South Australia.  Some descendants disagree, saying he was the English convict James Vivian who arrived on the ship Claudine in 1829.  In either case, these men were both English, not Cornish.

So there doesn't appear to me to be a connection between the two families.

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Australia / Re: Staff Sergeant William Vivian
« on: Saturday 26 April 25 03:19 BST (UK)  »
Three of John Peter Vivian's sons enlisted for WW1.  They were:

James Seymour Vivian, service no. 771
John Wallace Vivian, service no. S15342
Victor Rhodes Vivian, service no. 3188

William Vivian, service no. 17136 (the staff sergeant) had a different father, Johnson Vivian. William Arthur Vivian, service no. Depot, was related(his nephew), being the grandson of Johnson Vivian (his father Henry was Johnson's son).

You can see the service records of these men at the website of the National Archives.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx

I will see if I can establish whether the two families were related.

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Australia / Re: John James DEARLOVE
« on: Friday 25 April 25 08:54 BST (UK)  »
Yes, it's a mystery what became of him and I don't think it is possible to know.  I've searched for deaths under Dearlove without any success and the closest one I could find is the following:

Name    John James
Death Age    79
Birth Date    abt 1819
Death Date    17 Jan. 1898
Death Place    Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Date    1898
Registration Place    Hobart, Australia
Registration Number    115

This man was buried in a pauper's grave in the Cornelian Bay cemetery in Hobart.  The 19th century Tasmanian death certificates are very sparse with no parents named and only perhaps place of birth.  Being a pauper, the informant probably wouldn't have known anyway.

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Australia / Re: John James DEARLOVE
« on: Thursday 24 April 25 00:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I haven't had any luck in Australia or New Zealand.  Having been refused permission to marry, is there any chance he might have gone back to England?  I found this death registered Hackney, not that far from where his family lived in Edmonton:

Name    John Dearlove
Registration Quarter    Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place    Hackney, London, United Kingdom
Death Date    Jun. 1860
Inferred Death Place    London, United Kingdom
Volume    1b
Page    219

If he did die in 1860, it could explain why his wife was free to re-marry in 1863.

Christine

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Australia / Re: Occupation Electoral Roll
« on: Wednesday 23 April 25 02:17 BST (UK)  »
Okay - thanks.


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Australia / Re: Occupation Electoral Roll
« on: Wednesday 23 April 25 00:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi Susan,

The 1968 electoral roll has:

Wheadon, Brian Garnet, 66 Tivoli Road, Accountant (Subdivision of South Yarra, Victoria).

He is also recorded as an accountant in subsequent electoral rolls. In 1994 he was living in NSW:

NB322/94—Re Brian Garnet Wheadon, 78 Sirius Road,
Bligh Park 2756, sales consultant (22.2.94)

Source:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246956557?searchTerm=%22garnet%20wheadon%22 

It seems likely that he died in NSW some time after 1994, but deaths which occurred less than 30 years ago are not online.  Burials are recorded and there is a possible death in 2021:

Name    Brian Wheadon
Birth Date    5 Jun. 1944
Death Date    7 Jun. 2021
Cemetery    Lakeside Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place    Kanahooka, Wollongong City, New South Wales, Australia

Perhaps you have his date of birth which matches.  Parents were married in 1941.

Christine


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Australia / Re: Tasmanian lookup request please - CANNON - YOUNG
« on: Tuesday 22 April 25 22:33 BST (UK)  »
I also think that the Mary Louisa Young who married Bruce Gunn was likely to have been the mother of Thomas Cannon's two sons.  There is a Trove report on the death of "Mary Cannon" in 1897 on Middle Island.  Her body was transferred to Beaconsfield for an inquest.

Bruce Gunn died in 1927 and is buried in the Villa Car cemetery.  However his wife Mary doesn't appear to be buried with him.  Also, Ancestry trees do not record a death or buried for Mary Gunn which is interesting, except one who says she is the woman who died in 1897 on Middle Island.  Bruce and Mary had one child, a girl named Florence, who died as in infant in 1887.

Assuming Mary Gunn was the "Mary Cannon" who died on Middle Island, what happened to her body after the inquest at Beaconsfield?  It is not in the cemetery at Beaconsfield.

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Australia / Re: Alexander CHARLES (illegitimate child)
« on: Wednesday 16 April 25 01:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dianna,

You're probably aware of this but just in case not:

https://www.sydneyaldermen.com.au/alderman/alexander-brown/

Christine

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Australia / Re: Alexander CHARLES (illegitimate child)
« on: Tuesday 15 April 25 07:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dianna,

Difficult to find the child.  Do you know anything more about Margaret Young?  Where did you find her name?  I found the following birth record, no father recorded, which is a possibility:

Name    Alexander Young
Birth Date    1860
Birth Place    New South Wales
Registration Year    1860
Registration Place    Newtown, New South Wales, Australia
Mother    Margaret
Registration Number    2770

Christine

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