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Norfolk / Re: Elizabeth Rippingall
« on: Today at 17:02 »
Could that indenture be between Joseph Rogers and John Harmer? I think John Harmer, the surgeon, was his contemporary. There are many reports on his litothomy procedures around 1746 (unless his father was also John Harmer and a surgeon).

I think Elizabeth Havett married Henry Rippingall and she is the grandmother of Elizabeth Rippingall (who married Joseph Rogers) and Ann(e) Rippingall who married John Chambers.

Elizabeth Havett person details
Name   Elizabeth Havett
Sex   Female
Father's Name   John Havett
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Ann
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   7 Oct 1679
Event Place   Norwich, Norfolk, England
Event Place (Original)   Saint Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk, England



Henry Rippingall   Husband   M         
Henry Rippingall person details
Name   Henry Rippingall
Sex   Male
Spouse's Name   Elizabeth Havett
Spouse's Sex   Female
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   18 May 1703
Event Place   Norwich, Norfolk, England
Event Place (Original)   Cathedral Church, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Reference   Item 3


Henry Rippingale   Husband   M         
John Rippingale   Son   M         
John Rippingale person details
Name   John Rippingale
Sex   Male
Father's Name   Henry Rippingale
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Elizabeth
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   

13 November 1704
Event Place   Aylsham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   Aylsham, Norfolk, England


Henry Rippingale
Vital • England, Norfolk, Parish Registers (County Record Office), 1510-1997

Henry Rippingale person details
Name   Henry Rippingale
Event Type   Burial
Event Date   4 February 1714
Event Place   Aylsham, Norfolk, England
Event Place (Original)   Aylsham, Norfolk, England

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I was wondering if instead of Morges, the origin of the Ravanel family could be Morge?

"The Morge, also called Morge de Saint-Gingolph, is a river in the Alps. Its course marks the border between France and Switzerland, between the canton of Valais and Haute-Savoie, southeast of Lake Geneva."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morge_(Lake_Geneva)

3 Ravanel at BEZIRK LEUK (Loèche):

Der Bezirk bildete im Mittelalter eine einzige Pfarrei.
SALGESCH

Ysabella Ravanel, Bazarodus Ravanel, Petrus Ravanel.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/18027/files/TA_640.pdf

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Great to hear from you!

Jean Pierre Reynier was the father of of Jean François who married Caroline Chapuis (the parents of this child). He was born in 1702 in Vevey.

I wonder if the godfather François Antoine Ravanel is Sara Louise's father...  maybe he would be too old in 1762? Sara was born in 1701. Would it be odd if he was her brother, considering that another brother (Eugenie's father) was also a François, although the middle name was Guillaume?

Regarding the family's origins...

I know about a Guillaume Ravanel who was a notary in Lausanne in the 1400s-1500s and his wife Binfa (or Bynfa) Trolliet (her brother, Guillaume Trolliet, was also a notary in Lausanne).

They had at least one son named Guillaume and another one who was a Franciscan monk (Cordelier), Frére Jean Ravanel, who died of black plague in the Saint Françoise Couvent in Savigny in 1532. (Bynfa's father was Benoït Trolliet, of Savigny).

https://archive.org/details/zeitschweizkirchen17/page/286/mode/2up?q=ravanel

No mention of Ravanel in Lausanne in the 1600s, so maybe they moved to Morges or other nearby place.

I have tracked down another Ravanel in Lausanne, Etienne François Ravanel, who was a bookseller associate of Victor Durand (Durand, Ravanel et Compagnie), between 1794 and 1796.

Their story is fascinating, but when I finally found Etienne's birth record it turned out that he was the illegimate son of François Ravanel with the widow Catherine Poterat. He lived in Grandson where Etienne was born in 1757, but he was actually from Rances and his family members were all Ravenel, apparently he changed his surname to Ravanel when he moved to Grandson.

Both Etienne and Victor were arrested for political reasons, they were patriots (a potentially interesting connection to Wolff and Deken), lots of info on Victor Durand, see this book - Books Without Borders in Enlightenment Europe: French Cosmopolitanism and German Literary Markets.

Etienne was arrested in Strasbourg in 1799, but I couldn't find anything else after this date.

https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&hl=fr&id=2TRDAAAAcAAJ&q=ravanel#v=snippet&q=ravanel&f=false

I'm browsing the Archives Cantonales Vaudoises but it isn't easy to read the documents and I have found some issues with the surname index at the end of each file, some have been wrongly transcribed and Ravanel wasn't a common surname.

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Axonais, hope you're still around.

Do you know who was François Antoine Ravanel?

He signed as the godfather of Sara Louise Ravanel's grandson, Jean Louis François Antoine Reynier (Regnier), in 1762 in Lausanne.

Sara Louise was Eugenie's aunt.

Register on page 128.

https://davel-vd.ch/uploads/r/null/3/c/6/3c603d77682594c17944e5789c0a35a4826c21bd8f9213bf4f571b79a280190e/CH-ACV_RN-EB-71-7.pdf

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman lost at sea
« on: Friday 12 September 25 21:12 BST (UK)  »
His brother?

"SAMUEL COSSEY, b. 1818, Kirby Cane (Source: PA.); d. at sea (Source: PA.). Notes for SAMUEL COSSEY: Went to sea with brother Henry but died within 3 months PA."

The webpage is no longer available unfortunately.

http://indigo.ie/~stevenso/Cossey/5_generations

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman lost at sea
« on: Friday 12 September 25 18:19 BST (UK)  »
What would be the meaning of the ticket being cancelled? I googled but didn’t get a clear answer; I must admit I don’t know much about merchant navy records at all.

Interesting that he might have been issued a new number, I’ll have a look at that later, thank you for the suggestion!

The navy record isn’t him, but thank you. His parents were William Cossey and Isabel nee Moore who lived in Ditchingham and Kirby Cane in Norfolk.

I have come acrross this record, hence my previous post. Maybe her name was Isabel Sarah or Sarah Isabel ? Or maybe they were sisters and William remarried?

Sarah Moore
Mentioned in the Record of Samuel Cossey (Sarah Moore's Son)

Sarah Moore person details
Name   Sarah Moore
Sex   F
Sarah Moore's Spouses and Children


Samuel Cossey   Son   M         
Samuel Cossey person details
Name   Samuel Cossey
Sex   Male
Father's Name   William Cossey
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Sarah Moore
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   23 Sep 1818
Event Place   Beccles, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   Beccles, Suffolk, England


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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman lost at sea
« on: Friday 12 September 25 15:38 BST (UK)  »
Were Sarah and William his parents? If yes, this could be him.

Samuel Cossey
Military • England, Navy Allotment Records, 1795-1850


Samuel Cossey person details
Name   Samuel Cossey
Sex   Male
Military Rank   Ordinary Seaman
Relative's Name   Sarah
Relative's Relationship to the Head of the Household   Mother
Event Type   Military Service
Event Date   1847
Event Place   England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   England
Source Description   Declaration lists of allotments
Entry Number   763
Series Number   ADM 27/101
Affiliate Name   The National Archives

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« on: Wednesday 13 August 25 00:55 BST (UK)  »
Oh well, you really like to harass me don't you? No worries, I won't post anything on here anymore. You won, Neal, are you proud of yourself?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« on: Tuesday 12 August 25 17:08 BST (UK)  »
Bertha Dorothy and not Eleanor had the Burkat surname, but maybe he could have been raised by Eleanor or her sister Elsie Isobel (aka Nell, Nellie)?

Did Eleanor die in the UK or did she go back to Germany? I can see her in East Sussex until 1963.

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