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Apologies if this has already been covered and I'm talking BS...

I have been looking into your family tree on FS and I think there is a confusion about Hannah...


If your great grandfather Samuel Benjamin COOPER was the son of John Edward(s) COOPER and Catherine Mary ROBINSON, Hannah (nee MASSEY) was Catherine's mother and Samuel ROBINSON was her father.

Hannah MASSEY married Samuel ROBINSON in 1838, Stockport.

John Edward(s) COOPER was he son of Benjamin COOPER and Elizabeth EDWARDS.

Elizabeth and Benjamin married in St Mary's Catholic Church in Mancherster in 1832.

I think your great grandfather was named after his two grandfathers (Samuel ROBINSON and Benjamin COOPER) and his sister Hannah Elizabeth COOPER was named after her two grandmothers (Hannah MASSEY and Elizabeth EDWARDS).

The 1861 Census has the family as ROBBISON on Ancestry and ROBISON on FamilySearch (I don't have access to the full records, I'm in Brazil) - Samuel (45), Hannah (44), Cath(e)rine Mary (17), Ellen (15), Margaret (13), Robert (13), Betty (7), Sarah Ann (2) and Cathrine (75- probably Samuel's mother).

I have added this info to the FS family tree and if there is any error I'd be glad to rectify the entries.

Quote from: J.J. on Sunday 27 April 25 00:23 BST (UK)

Can you explain this previous post from years ago? Are you having us search for something you already know, but didn't share with us? We all make some duplicates but you have a lot of previous threads for this very same family to which you could have added this request.

Quote from: Shrop63 on Friday 22 February 19 18:21 GMT (UK)

I know my GFx5 was a Thomas Ellis who married a Mary Parton in 1786 iirc, Wellington, on their marriage cert is is signed by John Ellis, father or brother I presume. Trouble is there are 2 likely candidates, one born 1766 to John and Sussanah the other born in 1764 to John and Jane. To make things worse they both have brothers called John! One married Mary the other it seems married a Priscilla Carman. I know the Cadmans were in the area too. Unless I can find either in a census\death cert I think I,m stuck!

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808818.msg6683022

I don't know they are the same family. I, m trying to find John born around 1758 according to the 1821 census. I don't know wether he was born in the area or wether he moved there. This is one possibility I, m trying to find out about.

John, crhistened 30 Dec 1760

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/sources/MLT1-579

Right, thank you. Transcriptions

Is this the churchyard where Arthur was supposed to have been buried?

https://tylersgreenchurch.uk/burials-by-name-churchyard-east/

The death notice for Arthur Christian CRIPPS in 1949 names 2 sons, one of which is the one born 1935.
Tuesday,  Dec. 6, 1949
Publication: The Daily Telegraph

There is a engagement announcement for the other son mentioned, in 1966:

"Mr M F J Lutz and Miss J M G Reid
The engagement is announced between M___ F_____ J_____ , younger son of the late Mr. Arthur Christian Cripps and the late Mrs. Cripps, and adopted son of Herr Friedrich Heinrich Lutz, of Salzberg, Austria and J_______ M_______ G______, daughter of Mr. Walter Lewis Reid and the late Mrs. Reid, of Puerto De La Cruz, Teneriffe, Canary Isles."

Friday,  May 20, 1966
Publication: The Times

Have you found anything about Friedrich Heinrich Lutz? (I suppose it's Salzburg)