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Banffshire / Re: 1868 Birth of Daughter to Peterkin and Coull
« on: Sunday 03 March 24 08:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MonicaL

Thank you for joining the conversation. I'm a little bit overwhelmed at the amount of information that everyone has provided. Can I say thank you again to all who have contributed. Huge respect for all of you.
Firstly, my earlier reference to a James Young born 1865 was, of course, wrong. It should have read Donald Young and had no connection to the family.
The Benjamin Coull connection was quite straight forward. As father, his name is on my G. Grandmothers marriage certificate and I've been able to gather a lot of information.
My Mum and her twin brother never knew this story as they both passed away a couple of years ago. I wonder how they would have reacted to this news. The name Benjamin Peterkin had even been invented as my G. Grandmothers Father. I guess our ancestors never imagined a time when we could all sit in comfort at home and trawl through centuries of family connections. How difficult must it have been for a young Mary Peterkin in the mid 19th century giving birth to two illegitimate children.

If I can summarise the findings, please tell me if I get anything wrong..

Mary Peterkin born 1845 to John Peterkin and Mary Shepherd (m.1843 - Johns 2nd marriage)
We find Mary Senior, as Head of Household in 1851 an Inn Keeper (Dufftown) and again in 1861 (Balvenie St, Dufftown). Mary Jnr now aged 15.
In 1864, young Domestic Servant, Mary, gives birth to illegitimate son named John Young.
In 1868, an illegitimate daughter, Jane Ann, we now know was fathered by Benjamin Coull.
We see Jane Ann Coull, aged 2 in 1871, with her Grandmother, Mary Coull (Benjamin's Mother) and again, aged 12, still with her Grandmother in 1881.
Meanwhile, in 1871, we see Mary Peterkin Snr, in Dufftown with her 6 yo grandson John. Mary Jnr appears to have left the area.
But in 1881, we find a Mary Greig (nee Peterkin - aged 33) in Fulham, married to William Greig. Also there is Mary Peterkin Snr with her daughters 15 yo son John Young.
By 1891, Mary and William Greig have an 8 yo daughter, Rosanna Elizabeth. Mary Snr is still with them.
By 1901, Mary Jnr has passed away. Presumably so has Mary Snr. Widowed William Greig (in 1901 Census listed as Kincardineshire born) is living with his 18 yo daughter Rosanna and still in Fulham.

Wow. I'd never have got here without all your help. Thank you all so much.

Drew



   

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Banffshire / Re: 1868 Birth of Daughter to Peterkin and Coull
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 14:14 GMT (UK)  »
Ah. I searched specifically for Mary Peterkin in the Valuation Rolls. Yes, I've now found the same details in ScotlandsPeople Valuation Roll searches.
As it's Mrs Peterkin, this is her married name. Was Jane Ann's mother single / unmarried. That was always my assumption.
I'm now trying to identify the parents of 6yo John Young, Grandson of Mary Peterkin in the Mortlach 1871 Census. Birth place, also Mortlach. There's no exact match and all I can find is a James Young born 1865 to John and Jane Young (nee Stewart) In Glenrinnes.  ???
Elizabeth Peterkin, in 1885, at Gordon Villa, 43 Castle Street in Dufftown is also widowed and lives on the "Intertest of Money" in a large house with Lodgers. Not convinced there's a link to Jane Ann here.
Think I need to find out more about the Mary Peterkin who emigrated to Canada and will try to contact poster from 2009.
Drew

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Banffshire / Re: 1868 Birth of Daughter to Peterkin and Coull
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 11:47 GMT (UK)  »
From the Birth Certificate

Jane Ann Peterkin
Born - 18th October 1868 (illegitimate)
Place of Birth - Dufftown, Parish of Mortlach

Mother - Mary Peterkin - Domestic Servant

There is no specific address.

Hadn't thought to look at the Valuation Roll. Just taken a look and I can't see Mrs Peterkin in Conval Street in 1875 using ScotlandsPeople. Could the person you see be the same Mary Peterkin, aged 47 and a Mill Worker, living in Castle Street, Dufftown with her Grandson John Young, recorded in the 1871 Census.

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Banffshire / Re: 1868 Birth of Daughter to Peterkin and Coull
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 10:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish

From a posting back in July 2009....
 (Re: Peterkin, Mary- Born Scotland abt. 1845 probably Aberdeenshire or Banffshire), I can see that a Mary Peterkin, aged 25 in 1870, arrived in Montreal, Canada as an immigrant from Scotland and was registered as a Servant. This could possibly explain why we don't see her in the 1871 Census and beyond. As Mary's status was Domestic Servant at the time of Jane Ann Peterkin's birth in 1868, it's not unreasonable to assume that this is the same Mary who emigrated to Canada two years later leaving her daughter to be brought up by Benjamin's mother, Mary Coull, in Lossiemouth.
I've previously contacted and searched the site www.oldscottish.com/fathers-found, but received no reply. I will also contact the General Register House in Edinburgh to arrange a visit. I'm based in Ayrshire, Scotland so not too far away.
Thank-you everyone for all the contributions. I think I'm much further forward now than I was a couple of days ago.

 :) :) Drew

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Banffshire / Re: 1868 Birth of Daughter to Peterkin and Coull
« on: Friday 01 March 24 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Forfarian

This is all brilliant information and advice and pretty much confirms my suspicions.
Jane Ann was born 1868, in the Parish of Mortlach, to Domestic Servant, Mary Peterkin. There is no reference to Marys age or address. Aged 2 in 1871, Jane Ann is living with her Grandmother, Mary Coull in Lossiemouth, Parish of Drainie. 1881, in Drainie aged 12, still with Grandmother Mary Coull. She married William Boyd in the District of Blythswood, Burgh of Glasgow in 1893.
I would like to establish Marys parentage as this opens up a whole new world for me to explore. I note in the 1841 Census, a Mary Peterkin, then aged 9, born to John and Ann Peterkin also in the Parish of Mortlach but she seems to disappear from subsequent Census. The 1851 Census reveals another Mary Peterkin, Head of Household, aged 29 and an Innkeeper in Dufftown. She, in turn has a daughter Mary, aged 5. It's not clear to me which Mary could be Jane Anns mother. I'd be grateful for any further advice. Drew 

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Banffshire / 1868 Birth of Daughter to Peterkin and Coull
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 09:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
My name is Drew and I've been researching my Mothers family tree for several years. Her Grandfather, William Boyd, married Jeanie Coull in 1893. On the marriage certificate, Jeanie's father is named as Benjamin Coull (Master Mariner) and her Mother Mary Coull (nee Peterkin) deceased. I can find no evidence of a marriage between Benjamin and Mary. The only Master Mariner named Benjamin Coull that I can find married Ann Mustard in 1875. I have found the Birth Certificate for Jane Ann Peterkin (I believe from family anecdote that this is probably Jeanie) born in 1868, illegitimate child of Mary Peterkin, in the County of Banffshire, Scotland. Father was not named. I believe I have also found an extract from the 1871 Census showing 2 year old Jane Ann Coull living with her Grandmother Mary Coull (nee Suding).
I have been looking for evidence to support my theory that Benjamin Coull was the father of Marys illegitimate daughter Jane Ann. Can anyone help.

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Lanarkshire / Re: John Clark
« on: Tuesday 27 February 24 15:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi ShayeRebecca

I'm guessing your questions from a few years back about John Clark were all answered.
I'm based in Ayrshire, Scotland and have been tracing my family tree back for a few years. Seems we might be related. 
My G. G. Grandparents were Henry Clark (b.1825) and Bethea Russell Cowie (b.1828). They had several children including my G. Grandfather William Clark (b.1867). His older brother, John Clark was born in 1853. He married Elizabeth Scott in 1875.
The Family lived in Coatbridge which was heavily industrialised at the time including Coal Mining, Railway Works and Brick works.
My research took me down my G. Grandfather Williams line, but if you think I can provide any further information, please let me know.

Drew

 

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