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I started a short tree on FindMyPast for Winnie Gamage so I can see clearer, and yes Trevor Wilks Gamage B 22 March 1877 was the brother of Winnie Gamage.
Both were the children of Elias Gamage and Esther Abraham B1855 (Esther was d/O William Abraham  and Sarah (nee Lewis)

I think you're right on Annie Llewellyn as shows up as a hint as Trevor's wife and is recorded on his probate as Annie Xylander.

Winnie Gamage shows up a comedic actress and dancer in South Wales esp at the New and Empire theatres in Cardiff circa 1910 - 1914 - it looks like she used Gamage as her stage name but used Frader for her private life
Her most notable part was in the musical "Drummer Boys," where she danced with another actress Dora Grey. 

So maybe Winnie Gamage born Swansea D/O Elias Gamage and Esther (nee Abraham) is the Winnie Frader I'm looking for

I don't know if there's any connection to Winnie Frader who married 1914 Bangor 

Trevor Wilks Gamage age 4 Born 22 Mar 1877
Baptism    27 Apr 1881 Swansea St Mary,  Father   Elias Gamage Mother Esther

Trevor Gamage
Record Type   Admission
Admission Date   8 Jul 1911
Institution   Brecon
Institution Place   Breconshire, Wales
Death Date   19 Apr 1912
Death Place   Breconshire, Wales

Trevor Gamage age 33 abode The Brecon & Radnor Asylum
Burial  22 Apr 191? Talgarth, Breconshire

On the off chance I checked his d/c he died 19 April 1912 informant medical superintendent of the Asylum

Trevor Gamage of 12 Kensington Terrace Swansea died 19 April 1912  at The Brecon & Radnor Asylum Talgarth
Administration 12 March 1915 to Annie Xylandar (wife of Otto)

Otto Xylander
Record Type   Marriage Banns
Marriage Banns Date   30 Mar, 6 April,13 April 1913
Marriage Banns Place   Cockett, Glamorganshire, Wales
Marriage 20 Apr 1913
Residence Place   Swansea St Mary
Spouse   Annie Gamage

Annie Xylander died age 76 - 1951 Jul-Aug-Sep Swansea Volume 8b Page   520

Annie Xylander Alias Annie Gamage
Nationality   German
Birth  13 Sep 1876 Birth Place Clydach, Swansea
Image to view on Anc*y UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945

I'm not sure but I think Annie Gamage maybe nee Llewellyn and married Trevor Gamage 1905

I hope you're enjoying Scotland and many thanks for your suggestion - it looks like a good call

Im convinced if nobody else is. Greetings from Scotland, here to see grandchildren, what a joy

SS

Heres Winiie's marriage details

Winnie Frader (spinster) age 23 was married by licence on 13 March 1914 in Bangor Roman Catholic Chapel, Pendref to John Michal Basham (bachelor and General Labourer -age not clear but looks to be recorded as 23 - he was 25 at the time)
John Michael was living at the Catholic Rectory Bangor at the time - his father Edward Basham (Labourer)
Winnie was living at Friars House, High Stret, Bangor at the time, her father Elias Frader (a Cattle dealer)
SS may well be right on the name change
Witnesses were Ella M Howell and William Dempsey.

I'm not sure if I'll get any further with knowing the name of Winnie's father (Elias).

Here's hoping SS is right (he usually is!)
And Johnny seems to have had great appeal, so anything is possible.
Though I fully understand it is a theory, not a statement of fact.

From time to time on here we do come across a lady who appears to have left their family, usually there seems to have been a complete wall of silence about it.

Anyway, I am sure Richard will find the marriage certificate fascinating when it arrives!

I don't have Winnie's death cert (she died on 17 May 1966) but it's highly likely it was her only daughter Winifred Margaret Burman (nee Basham) who registered the death or her son-in-law Arthur George Burman who died Oct to Dec 1966 - I can't see it being anyone else

Quote from: jonwarrn on Sunday 21 December 25 09:54 GMT (UK)

SS, are you saying that Edith Winifred may have made up a new name for herself, Frader, and commited bigamy?
Possible of course, but would she then actually say her father was called Elias when she married Johnny Basham?

Hi jonwarn, I just wanted to see exactly what the gro birth cert recorded. I have no idea of who Winnie really is. I do think that whoever was the informant on her death registration had a good knowledge of who she was particularly with regard to death age and exact name. Await like others details of marriage certificate

SS

Here's my thoughts on my Mysterious Great Aunt Winnie (in order of my most likely)

1) Winnie / Winifred Frader was her real name and I just haven't been able to find her - maybe she wasn't born in Britain
2) She anglicised her name - maybe early in 1914 she didn't think it a good idea to have a foreign sounding name
3) She could have been married and widowed prior to marrying Johnny in 1914
4) She changed her name for some reason and didn't want her background to be known

The marriage certificate may help if her father's name is there and any witnesses may help if there was a connection to Winnie but I'm not banking on it.

Johnny Basham was very well known so it could have been a good enough reason to change her name as he was in court twice just before they maried (In Dec 1912 a woman punched him in the ear after seeing him with another woman (Probably Winnie) and then in Sept 1913 the woman that hit him in Dec 1912 unsuccessully sued him for child support)



I'm hoping her father is recorded on the marriage certificate and that any witnessess do give a clue for me to follow up. If not then it's more likely she did want to hide her background, and I'll repost here with the info on the marriage cert once I have it.

SS, are you saying that Edith Winifred may have made up a new name for herself, Frader, and commited bigamy?
Possible of course, but would she then actually say her father was called Elias when she married Johnny Basham?