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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Family history for Grand, Frost and Parlett.
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 23:44 GMT (UK)  »
William Parlett was in Dunedin and Christchurch operating as a Commercial Traveller up until about 1885. He then disappeared from the scene.  There is no record in the NZ BDM nor searches by Hocken a research unit of the Otago University of what happened to him. Hocken say that back in those times non reporting of deaths was not uncommon. On her re-marriage, Lucy's marriage certificate states that she was a widow,

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Family history for Grand, Frost and Parlett.
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you mckha489 that fills in a lot of spaces for me. Sibbie.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Family history for Grand, Frost and Parlett.
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so very much for that lead. It has certainly filled in many unknown blanks for me. Sibbie.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Family history for Grand, Frost and Parlett.
« on: Saturday 10 February 24 22:01 GMT (UK)  »
Below is an extract of my wife's family tree. Specifically, we would like to know more of the earlier families of John Grand and his wife Elizabeth Frost. Also, what happened in life for their daughter Louisa.

As part of the puzzle is the parentage of William Parlett. He, his wife Lucy and daughter Lilian emigrated to NZ. We have been unable to discover anything as to his family line. Please see below the info we have so far. Any help would be so helpful to us.
Grand Family.

John Grand (garden labourer)        m               Elizabeth Frost .from Aldborough, Norfolk
b 1803     d 1886                                                   b 1804    d 1885

1851 Census - Barningham Winter
John Grand   Head      47
Elizabeth           Wife      46
Sarah      Daughter   22**
Louisa      Daughter   20
Frederick           Son      18
Charles      Son      16   
George        Son      14
Harriett      Daughter   12   
Esther      Daughter    9   b 19/08/1841 d 1872. M 1864 George Plumbley. 3 children,
Robert George Plumbley b 1864 d 1885, Charles James Plumbley  b 1866 d 1929 and Herbert Plumbley (dates unknown).
Elizabeth   Daughter    7
John      Son        5
Lucy      Daughter    3   Married Willian Parlett – see Parlett Family Tree.
Samuel   Grandson     1**

** Samuel (Grandson might be Sarah’s child?) 1.
      Lucy was christened 2/4/1848 Barningham Town

1861 Census - Norwich
Lucy aged 13 was living with her sister Louisa Grand aged 30 at 96 Church Lane, St. Stephens, Norwich.
      Louisa was christened 20/2/1833.

1871 Census – Chelsea, London
Lucy aged 23 was a domestic servant/nurse for Frederick Bacon Barwell b 1831 d 1922 and Fanny Barwell b 1834 d 1872 at 8 Vicarage Gardens, Kensington London W8. Frederick was a highly considered artist/painter and was from Norwich. Their son was Roland Clint Barwell b 11/10/1870 d 27/3/1961.


John Grand (garden labourer)     m               Elizabeth Frost.
b 1804                     b 1805


William  PARLETT                           m                  Lucy GRAND
         They married in the quarter of Oct-Nov-Dec 1873
 
b. c 1844       d 1885 ? NZ         b. c 18/08/1848 – Barningham Town.
                                Christened 2/4/1848 needs research!
                     d.    25/11/1910 Warrington Cemetery, Dunedin.

Lucy’s burial notice says Lucy was from Shropshire but marriage certificate to Meincke says born in Devonshire. However, the census above clearly shows that she was born at Barningham Winter in Norfolk.   

William Parlett was a farm labourer in Norfolk and became a Commercial Traveller in New Zealand.

William (30 years old), Lucy (26) and Lilian Fanny (2 months) sailed on the “Christian McAusland” to Port Chalmers, Dunedin arriving 4 October 1874. They then went to Christchurch but then moved back to Dunedin around 1881-2.




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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: William Charles SIBREE
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 02:13 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, I have been back through what records I have but cannot find any reference to Charles Alan, only Charles Sibree, I have no idea why I used that name as it appeared sometime ago. I did find a review about a magician in Australia called "Eagle". He toured the goldfields. Comment was made in that review as follows:

The most odd aspect of this tale is that the  released man, Charles Wallack, apparently the lessee of the Pavilion Theatre, is said to have changed his name to Charles Sibree, and then joined Eagle in his tours, under the guise of “the Goblin Sprightly”. He must have been a slippery character, as newspapers from New Zealand (12) state that he later became Charles Stanley, posed as a doctor at Stringer’s Creek, moved to New Zealand where he was accused as “Yankee Charlie” of fraud in relation to a supposed quartz reef discovery, assault in 1876 for which he was gaoled for two years,  and in early 1879 was turned in to police by his own wife, on the accusation of having murdered a man named Thomas Costello some seven years earlier. He had in fact been charged with the murder back in 1872, but released for want of evidence. Ultimately there was some suggestion that the wife, whom Sibree had been assaulting, had made a false accusation to police; in either case she would not appear in court, and the charge was dismissed. A newspaper search reveals that the same Charles Wallack was also charged in 1854 with armed robbery, and in 1865 with sexual assault on a drunken woman.   Sprightly … indeed. He died in February 1880.

(12) Grey River Argus, September 3, 1872
Hokatika Star, New Zealand March 13, 1879 in the case of the “Costello Murder”.
Death – New Zealand Times, February 4, 1880.

I thank all for their help in this matter but I think it is unlikely progress on the matter is possible. I am impressed with all the help given. Many thanks, Sibbie.
 

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: William Charles SIBREE
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Lucy2 for your work on this. I am aware of the Yankee Charlie reference and he was responsible for a "false" gold rush on the Coast. Apparently, he mentioned that he had discovered some colour south of either Westport of it may have been Greymouth. Apparently, he was almost lynched. From what you have discovered it sounds like they as a couple were a little unsavory. The murder accusation is an interesting read. As for Charles having been born in New York is an interesting twist. There seems to be a number of Sibrees there.

The Charles I have been seeking has the spelling of Alan, not Allen as I previously mentioned in error.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / William Charles SIBREE
« on: Monday 05 February 24 19:57 GMT (UK)  »
I am related to the above. He was born on the West Coast (Granity) 18/04/1896 and died at Trentham Military Camp 4/02/1921 from TB. His parents were Charles Allen Sibree who married Elizabeth Davidson at Granity 25/04/1895. I am interested in the parentage and line of both Charles and Elizabeth. Charles appears to have come from Australia, and Elizabeth from Northumberland about 1883. Can anyone help please?

Moderator edit, 17 March 2024: Spurious middle name of Charles SIBREE struck out following correction by OP in Reply#20 below. Spades

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Henry and Bryce Henry
« on: Saturday 27 January 24 03:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Linda. I have found the last couple of days to be engrossing. It is a little while ago that I stopped looking for info on the Bryce Henry family. I was contacted by a Frances Daly. She was also interested in the Bryce Henry line and thought that she and my wife Janet were linked. I will update you in time. Bryan.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Henry and Bryce Henry
« on: Friday 26 January 24 08:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Linda. Yes that is the family. Sibbie

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