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Europe / Re: Polish ancestor that is Jewish
« on: Sunday 12 May 24 23:14 BST (UK)  »
Best regards to Düsseldorf. “Phenenna” and “Euphmina” are probably the same name - I have the baptism and marriage with “CJ" aka David Hirsch here. Her mother I read “Drexler". If anyone has more on this strand of the family, I'd be happy to have leads, as they played a big role in the Augustin household. David Hirsch's eldest son (also a Carl Joseph) was married first to Anna Margareta and then Sophia Gertrudis Drexler (apparently they are not sisters). And if they were also related to the father's second wife, one would like to know more about it, it does arouse curiosity

Birth https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/meppen-st-vitus/0185/?pg=8
Marriage https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/meppen-st-vitus/0057/?pg=13

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Europe / Re: Polish ancestor that is Jewish
« on: Saturday 27 January 24 21:36 GMT (UK)  »
You have PM

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Europe / Re: Polish ancestor that is Jewish
« on: Wednesday 10 January 24 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dirk,

I am descended from Carolus Josephus (*1792). His grandson Anton had taken over the Heidhof (Vormeppen) and died there early at the age of 56. My grandmother was the youngest of his 12 children at the time and moved away from Meppen with her mother to live with an older daughter who was married in Bremen. After the Second World War, I believe there were three Augustin sisters living there, but all married, so the name Augustin no longer appears in this branch. But we all have a replica of David Hirsch's portrait somewhere in the drawer :-)

The Ohio Augustin was probably Anton's little brother Bernhard, who died in the great earthquake in San Francisco? I have seen a bad copy of a postcard to Nikolaus junior, the mayor's son.

Well, if only the connection to the silk manufacturer could be proven. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Jacobson and his team have documented his origins extremely well. There is a trace to Lissa, but when people perish in a fire, there are no gravestones afterwards. And although there are public orphan registers, I have not yet been able to decipher a corresponding entry (if any Jewish children were included who were staying with their godfather in Potsdam). And while the velvet manufacturer submitted applications to Friedrich Wilhelm for his older sons in order to obtain a protection privilege for them too, there is no such entry for the orphan. It was very expensive at the time and was only possible for a few relatives - everyone else had to leave the city. Why not in the direction of Meppen ...

Regards, Christoph

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Europe / Re: Polish ancestor that is Jewish
« on: Wednesday 03 January 24 20:06 GMT (UK)  »
The man in the photo/painting is also my ancestor: Carolus Josephus (Karl Josef) Augustin from Meppen, formerly David Hirsch (the names Jacob and Samuel are new to me, his father is said to have been called Jacob, his grandfather David, which would speak a little in favor of "David ben Jacob Hirsch"). I am very interested in the photographed source from bolts99's post of August 12, I don't even know this variant yet. In my part of the family, the story goes that the man in the picture was born in Lissa and came to live with his godfather (Patenonkel, der älteste Bruder des Vaters) in Potsdam as a child after his parents (Jacobus and Elisa) died in a devastating fire in Lissa (that would probably be the one in 1767). In this story, the quarrel over the rabbinical studies does not concern the (dead) father, but the equally pious godfather. According to this, our ancestor would have first gone from Potsdam to Berlin and after a while from there somehow to Meppen (Hanover and Lingen are plausible, I would be interested in evidence. He was then recorded in Meppen, and his baptism can be found in the baptismal register,

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/meppen-st-vitus/0185/?pg=34

the marriage too

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/osnabrueck/meppen-st-vitus/0053/?pg=15

Unfortunately, I have no proof of the existence of his parents, because if the family story is correct, his godfather must have been the silk manufacturer David Hirsch, whose family has been very well researched, also because the business documents from Potsdam and Berlin are now well researched.

Regards, Christoph

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