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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Monday 31 March 25 09:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Judith, that is a very kind offer but I wouldn't want to impose on you. I intend to visit Yass myself next time I'm back in Australia and I've been in touch with the parish office there and apparently they will conduct research for a "donation" of $50 but it can take up to three months. However, if you're ever in the vicinity and you'd care to make an enquiry, that would be greatly appreciated.
I agree with Sue and Wivenhoe that there are a lot of undocumented assumptions and I've been trying to sift through these over the past couple of years. I've been involved in academic history research for the past forty years so I do understand the importance of primary sources.
The first assumption I tested was the rather absurd notion that Ellen was aboriginal and I've proved that to be false with my mtDNA test (if, of course, she was Mary Ann's mother). Last year I also exchanged a series of (exacerbating!) emails with the person who created their find-a-grave entries, trying to nail her down on the sources of her information. I also agree that these ancestry sites are riddled with errors which are just copied and pasted without checking their authenticity.
Two of my cousin's did a lot of research on this side of the family 30 or 40 years ago and I think that a lot of the information surrounding Michael Delaney and Ellen Collins originated with them. Unfortunately, one of those cousins has passed away and the other is very elderly, so it's difficult to verify their sources.
Having said that, I do think that the evidence of the BDM records together with Mary Ann's obituary and Michael's death certificate, while not conclusive, does suggest that Mary Ann Delaney (Boyd Hendry Powell) was the daughter of Michael Delaney and Ellen Collins.
As I mentioned earlier, I hope that an autosomal DNA test might shed some more light on the subject.
Thanks too Judith for checking Michael's death notice (which I do already have).
Cheers
Bill

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Monday 31 March 25 04:18 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I have no idea how they managed. As I noted above, I don't even know what evidence there for the oft repeated claim that Ellen died soon after childbirth. Perhaps Catherine was a member of the Irish community there and she helped to support them and that eventually led to their marriage? From the Hannon info you supplied earlier, it seems that Catherine's brother at least was living in the same area as Michael Delaney.

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Monday 31 March 25 03:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sue
Yes, I agree that it's very odd if Catherine was named as her mother on the baptismal certificate and I can't confirm the date. Conversely, I think it's significant that Mary Ann named her first daughter Ellen and her fourth daughter Catherine. I do need to verify the baptismal certificate myself but I've been busy lately with some interesting discoveries in a different branch.
Thanks for the info on the Hannons. I believe that is the same Catherine and i think I have their passenger list (but my PC died last week and I can't access it right now :'(). It's interesting that Catherine was the godmother for one of her nephews who was born in Bowning. Bowning was the location of Michael Delaney's first farm...

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Sunday 30 March 25 14:05 BST (UK)  »
Again, apologies if I wasn't clear.
I've only viewed those records in the NSW BDM database. The certificate for her marriage to Michael Powell isn't available and I haven't seen the marriage certificate for her marriage to James Boyd.
I do however have the marriage certificate for Michael Delaney and Ellen Collins as well as Michael's death certificate and his will.
As I mentioned above, my main interest is to find the origins of Ellen Collins.
Thanks

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Sunday 30 March 25 13:15 BST (UK)  »
Apologies for the confusion, but yes, with the exception of Mary Ann's baptismal certificate, I've seen the BDM records for all of points you mentioned (I included the references in brackets but I forgot to put in Michael's death reg ref).
Regarding Mary Ann's baptismal certificate, I'll heard the details second-hand and I know the the Catholic parish in Yass does have a record.

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Sunday 30 March 25 12:51 BST (UK)  »
Mary Powell was my great grandmother so I have an interest in her but I'm particularly trying to research the origins of her mother Ellen Collins (my great great grandmother).
Bill

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Sunday 30 March 25 12:29 BST (UK)  »
Judith and Sue
Thanks for all of that information and that Canton connection is certainly possible but they are such common names so without any link to Yass it's anyone's guess.
Regarding the Bounty scheme, Trove has some interesting contemporary news articles. I think the Duchess of Northumberland girls were mostly maids or house servants and there was some controversy at the time because they were all supposed to have been vetted for their character but there's were accusations that many were low class and unvetted (there was probably a certain degree of anti-Irish sentiment involved). Elizabeth Rushen's Colonial Duchesses looks very interesting in this regard but I haven't read it yet. I think they're may be more information about the DoN Collins sisters on the Ancestry Library Edition but I live overseas and I haven't been able to access that.
I want to do an Autosomal DNA test which hopefully might provide some concrete links to other descendants of Ellen in Ireland.
Bill

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Sunday 30 March 25 12:08 BST (UK)  »
Wivenhoe
It's all a bit sketchy but here are some of the documented "facts" that I think I have nailed down:

Ellen Collins was of European descent (per my mtDNA test) and she married Michael Delaney in Yass on 25 Oct.1842 (marriage certificate). It seems generally accepted that she died in 1843 after giving birth to Mary Ann but I'm not sure what hard evidence there is for that. There is a baptismal certificate for Mary Ann Delaney (available from the Yass parish) but I haven't seen it yet. Apparently that gives Mary Ann's DoB as 31 August 1843, and I presume that's why the same date is assigned to Ellen's death but in the absence of a death registration or death certificate that's unverified. Apparently the baptismal certificate names her mother as "Catherine" which is curious.  By the way, where did you get the 1846 date from?
The location of her grave is also unknown. Her Find-a-Grave entry states that she was buried in Yass general cemetary but there seems to be no verifiable evidence for that (the uploader couldn't provide any documentation and the Yass Historical Society has advised that the cemetery wasn't in use in 1843).
Michael and Ellen had one female offspring (per Michael's death certificate).
Mary Ann's first daughter was named "Ellen" which seems to support that parentage.
Mary Delaney married James Boyd in 1862 in Yass (3325/1862). I haven't seen any marriage certificate.
Mary Ann later formed a defacto relationship with James Hendry (or Hendrey), with whom she had eight children (born from 1867 to 1882).
Mary Boyd married Michael Powell in 1896 (5008/1896) in Boorowa, NSW.
Mary Powell died on 11 Sept. 1929 (17798/1929) in Murringo and her obituary says she was 85 and had been previously married to James Boyd. The age at death would make her year of birth as 1844, but perhaps that's an error in the obituary. Just to muddy the waters further, the death registration gives her father's name as Michael and her mother as "Mary" (transcription error?).
Michael Delaney married Catherine Hanon (or Honon/Hanan/Hannan) in Yass on 1845 and they had eight children.
Michael died near Yass on 15 July 1881 and is buried in the Yass general cemetery.
Michael Delaney's will shows that he bequeathed one shilling to Mary Boyd (but the bulk of his (reasonable) estate went to his sons Michael and James and his wife Catherine.
Catherine died on 29 July 1896, also at their farm in the Yass district and is also buried in the Yass general cemetery.

Please let me know of any corrections or additions.
Thanks
Bill

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Australia / Re: Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843
« on: Saturday 29 March 25 23:33 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the replies.
Yes, I already have the marriage certificate although it doesn't offer many clues regarding Ellen's origins. I still think that the Duchess of Northumberland connection (which I mentioned above) is  the best lead and it's interesting that a Mary Collins was married in Yass (Catholic) in the same year as Ellen, although I'm yet to look at her marriage certificate.
It's interesting also that the witnesses were OBriens, and at first I thought this William O'Brien may have been a son of Henry O'Brien, the founder of Douro station and one of the pioneers of Yass. However, it seems that Henry only had one son (also Henry) and Henry's brother Cornelius had no children.
Thanks too for the fascinating Banjo Patterson info!
Bill

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